New Sheltie owner in Mexico!! Have some questions

[Moxie]

Thanks everyone, you all confirmed my suspicions. I'm only annoyed that the lady wasn't honest with me, but that's very common here. I could have gotten an AKC papered pedigreed Sheltie with parents from New York, but the prices are ridiculous. I only wanted a Sheltie for the smaller size, as we rent our house. The Collie was a lot smaller than I thought she'd be and the "sheltie" father was not all that much smaller than her.

I do hope that he retains that Sheltie/Collie look, even though he seems mixed.

[Sugars new mom]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I'd go out out on a limb and suggest the daddy might be a sheltie-collie mix as well. he didn't have much of a facial stop and is on the big size.

But they are all nice looking dogs and welcome!

May I ask, what is a facial stop?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Thanks everyone, you all confirmed my suspicions. I'm only annoyed that the lady wasn't honest with me, but that's very common here. I could have gotten an AKC papered pedigreed Sheltie with parents from New York, but the prices are ridiculous. I only wanted a Sheltie for the smaller size, as we rent our house. The Collie was a lot smaller than I thought she'd be and the "sheltie" father was not all that much smaller than her.

I do hope that he retains that Sheltie/Collie look, even though he seems mixed.

I think he'll be just lovely!!!

[tofu pup]

Originally Posted by Sugars new mom

May I ask, what is a facial stop?

The stop is the "drop" that separates the backskull from the muzzle. The ideal Collie has a "very slight but perceptible stop". The ideal Sheltie has a "slight but definite stop". (Links take you to headstudies of both breeds.) It is one part of breed type, ie. "what makes a Sheltie a Sheltie".

To the OP, congratulations on your puppy! Honestly, neither of his parents are particularly fine examples of their purported breeds, so it seems just as likely that he is 100% Sheltie, 75% Sheltie, or 25% Sheltie - but in any case, I know he will be 100% loved by his new family.

Welcome to the Forum!

[Calliesmom]

Originally Posted by danisgoat

Congratulations on your new puppy!

I don't see a prominant "stop" on your pup, but I am still not sure if that is a good way to tell if it is a collie mix or not.

The biggest thing that stood out to me is 10 puppies. That is a LOT for a Sheltie. The Sheltie breeders could step in here and let me know if I am way off base here, but I thought that Shelties typically have smaller litters where the collies have larger litters. But again, I could be way off.

In any event, your pup is beautiful! Congratulations on your new addition. Both Collies and Shelties are amazing dogs, so I hope that you have the best companion dog ever!

Welcome to the Sheltie Nation Forum!

For Shelties, I personally know of two litters of 9 pups, Cranberry and Dixie came from a litter of 7. Don't know anything about Collie litters....
Cran is all sheltie- on the larger side and definitely Collie-ish (longer nose, not too big of a stop either)

oh- welcome Moxie

[Danny's mommy]

Your new puppy is adorable. I love his coloring. Aside from the questionable pedigree I think you have gotten yourself one beautiful puppy.

[bibluegirl]

He looks like hes def part collie. 10 is alot for a sheltie litter which makes me think that this was the collies puppies and not the shelties. He's cute either way but this was prob a oops litter. Hes very big for a sheltie. How old is he?

[Moxie]

Well, I picked him up today. He's 3 months old and 14.5". So quite oversize. bibluegirl, I think it's an "oops" litter too. That's okay though. He's beautiful and has a great temperament. I actually think that having a little Collie in him will make him a bit more patient with my toddler. :)

[Justicemom]

Originally Posted by danisgoat

Congratulations on your new puppy!

I don't see a prominant "stop" on your pup, but I am still not sure if that is a good way to tell if it is a collie mix or not.

The biggest thing that stood out to me is 10 puppies. That is a LOT for a Sheltie. The Sheltie breeders could step in here and let me know if I am way off base here, but I thought that Shelties typically have smaller litters where the collies have larger litters. But again, I could be way off.

In any event, your pup is beautiful! Congratulations on your new addition. Both Collies and Shelties are amazing dogs, so I hope that you have the best companion dog ever!

Welcome to the Sheltie Nation Forum!

While 10 is a huge litter for a sheltie, it can happen. Justice's grandsire Wysk sired a litter of 10 pups.

I agree with Tofu pup, the pup may or moay not be pure sheltie or part collie but is loved and that is the important thing.