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Old Jun 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
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I have a couple of questions (I know, here I am with more inane questions) :

(1) When you train in tighter spaces like the indoor space in the video, are there usually issues transitioning to more spread out layouts at an actual trial, or do the dogs generally adjust without specific training interventions?

(2) When judges set up trial layouts, are the distances between each obstacle somewhat standard or is that an element left to the judges discretion along with which specific obstacles are used?
In Novice, there are less obstacles so there is more room inbetween jumps so for a fast dog slow handler that does cause some issues. I have taugh/am teaching a go on command which means run on the line straight until I tell you not to. That helps. However if I get too far behind, Birch is still looking back" where did you go mom" I am trying to get speedier to help that. As you move in excellent/masters there are more obstacles and there for less room. The spacing is the same as you saw in the video. Of course, different courses have different designs so some are more running then others but it translate well, at least with AKC.

There are guidelines for the Judges to follow when setting up and designs the courses. You can read about them here.
http://images.akc.org/pdf/rulebooks/REAJG1.pdf
Interesting reading and gives a person a look into what the judges are trying to do and what they can't do (yet) as far as course design.
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Old Jun 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
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Yes I was really happy with him. He is such a good boy, never complains about my bad handling always just "I am trying to figure out what you want here" I saw a few places I could speed myself up and give him quicker cues always a work in progress I am.

Here is the youtube link for those facebook opposed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuMNV6zAmXI
You guys look great! The more comfortable you get the faster he'll get.
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Old Jun 25, 2013, 03:42 PM
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I have a couple of questions (I know, here I am with more inane questions) :

(1) When you train in tighter spaces like the indoor space in the video, are there usually issues transitioning to more spread out layouts at an actual trial, or do the dogs generally adjust without specific training interventions?

(2) When judges set up trial layouts, are the distances between each obstacle somewhat standard or is that an element left to the judges discretion along with which specific obstacles are used?
1. When you set up training for your own space you will need to consider stride of your dog and set up jumps with at least one stride. Stride counts when one foot hit the ground till next time that same foot hit the ground. You need at least one stride to evaluate if your dog reads your handling and generally you do not want dog to bounce, i.e. take off from same space where he landed. I generally would have 15-18 feet from one jump to another and about 8-10 feet gap between jumps like in case where serp training.
The less space you have the less speed you can get. It does not translate well, i.e. if dog learned how to hold contacts while walking on DW, holding contacts while running at speed is totally different skill.
2.Agility courses are set with certain space requirements, correct me if I am wrong but NADAC has like 22 feet, AKC and CPE something like 20´and USDAA is 18´? Does not mean that obstacles will not be closer to each other otherwise but the course travel from one to another obstacle has to adhere to the standard.
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Thanks, SheltieChe, that is exactly what I needed to know

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1. ...The less space you have the less speed you can get. It does not translate well, i.e. if dog learned how to hold contacts while walking on DW, holding contacts while running at speed is totally different skill.
While watching the video at the start of this thread, clearly the course was set up tighter/closer than the videos from actual trials (I understand that training venues will not all have the space to spread things out the way obstacles are set up at trials). I just assumed that there were would have to be issues (either trainer or dog related) when the course was more wide spread than the training venue.

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2. Agility courses are set with certain space requirements, correct me if I am wrong but NADAC has like 22 feet, AKC and CPE something like 20´and USDAA is 18´?...
The reason for this question has to do with things that Nick Sparks says on The Agility Show. He talks often about the course being set up at the discretion of the judges, but he never elaborates as to whether that is actual course and/or spacing. He has said that the judges can choose things like two weaves or no teeter, etc. Thanks for your response.
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Nice I was also impressed with your calm handling and Birch's weaves are looking great!

I was interested to learn that in Novice there are less obstacles as that is something I have wondered about when watching agility videos on here. I'm normally so focussed on watching the dog/handler that I haven't counted the obstacles but I did wonder if there were fewer in certain classes. Here in the UK it seems that the standard course length is generally 19 obstacles no matter what level/Grade you are at or which show. I think fewer obstacles would be easier to remember ( I struggle beyond 10! ) but I can see what you are saying about greater distances being an issue with fast dog slow handler as that is my problem too, particuarly with just jumps.
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1. When you set up training for your own space you will need to consider stride of your dog and set up jumps with at least one stride. Stride counts when one foot hit the ground till next time that same foot hit the ground. You need at least one stride to evaluate if your dog reads your handling and generally you do not want dog to bounce, i.e. take off from same space where he landed. I generally would have 15-18 feet from one jump to another and about 8-10 feet gap between jumps like in case where serp training.
The less space you have the less speed you can get. It does not translate well, i.e. if dog learned how to hold contacts while walking on DW, holding contacts while running at speed is totally different skill.
2.Agility courses are set with certain space requirements, correct me if I am wrong but NADAC has like 22 feet, AKC and CPE something like 20´and USDAA is 18´? Does not mean that obstacles will not be closer to each other otherwise but the course travel from one to another obstacle has to adhere to the standard.
The spacing between jumps in AKC is 18 feet, 21 feet after a spread jumps. I might not look like it but the 2 rows of jumps where 18feet apart. I agree the gap between the jumps was a bit tight.

The room is 80x60 I believe because they have held obedience trials there and 2 rings have been in that room(minimum ring size of 30x40ft) with a 10 ft aisle and crating space. So it is bigger than it looks.
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