Forum regulars will remember the height/weight spreadsheet which has the vitals of over 80 of our forum shelties. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...BqQUJRY3BVeXc&authkey=CMr_9-IJ&hl=en_GB#gid=0 I have updated the spreadsheet to include a column for length - I am always getting comments how long Deska is so I am interested in seeing if he really is overly long. I took length as from the collar bone to the base of the tail, does anyone have a better measure? Dont forget to update your details. I am happy to enter or update details if people would rather not play with the spreadsheet. For new dogs please put the details at the end of the list and don't try to insert a line or sort as its a bit temperamental and we have had a few mess ups. I sort details regularly (and keep a copy just in cases so just PM me if the spreadsheet plays up).