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My Sheltie Lacks Confidence - Big time!

Discussion in 'Behavior' started by Sheltie Love, May 9, 2016.

  1. Sheltie Love

    Sheltie Love Forums Novice

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    Hi friends,

    I took on a sheltie at 9 months of age who had not been socialised and decided to train her (I have other shelties who I have fun with in the trial ring) for agility and obedience.

    She is now 3, and is a real challenge... she spooks so very easily and shuts down at the smallest upset.

    I see glimpses/strides of improvement, she loves agility training in the back yard, doesn't respond as well to shaping games in the house though.... gets offended or lacks confidence so easily doing simple things in the home.

    Take her away from the house and her manner changes to "where am I - I want to be at home"... although others say she has come a long way...

    If anyone can offer me some suggestions that may help this little lass to be a more confident, happy trialing dog that would be much appreciated! Her tail away from home can be locked in the tummy position!

    Thank you!

    ps. Not sure if I am in the right area on this site to put forward my heartfelt concern... ??
     
  2. Ann

    Ann Moderator

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    It's a long process requiring lots of time and patience with dogs like these. You're doing all the right things. If you haven't, I would add some obedience classes to her routine for socialization more than for training. A class with smaller numbers (less than 10) would be ideal, and talk to the instructor first to let her know what you're dealing with.

    The other thing I would do is to take her along with another one of your dogs who is confident to trials. Just keep her in the crate, don't ask her to trial, but maybe take her out for a walk or two around the grounds. She will sense your other dog's attitude and that may help.

    I've had dogs like this too. It's an uphill battle to grow their confidence. It really is baby steps and you can't force them. Be gentle with your training but be consistent. She may always be shy, but if she's happy at home, her job may just be as a couch potato!
     
  3. Silaria

    Silaria Forums Sage

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    I agree with Ann, it sounds like you are doing everything you can to help her overcome her shyness. Additional smaller classes may continue to build her confidence.

    Another thing you can do is take some of her favorite, high value, treats with you everywhere you go and reward her for the small things - cars, people, bikes, etc. passing by, whenever you observe her looking more relaxed, and anything else that can make her see good things come from experiences - including if you take her as a cheerleader for one of your other dogs during a trial. LOTS of treats should be available for her to make the experience as rewarding as possible.

    I did want to comment on this... As much as you want her to be a trial dog, that may be something she'll never be able to confidently and comfortably handle given her history. It can be challenging for us to put our hopes and expectations for our canine companions away but sometimes it's absolutely necessary for their well-being.

    Ann actually said it best here:

    This doesn't mean you have to stop classes, I know plenty of folks to take agility, obedience, rally and other classes with their dogs for the fun of working with them without the pressures of a trial. Only time will tell if she can be the trial dog you'd like her to be but please, keep an open mind and be willing to recognize this may not happen given her personality.
     
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  4. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Forums Enthusiast

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    Katy is quite shy but benefited greatly from having an outgoing housemate. Bailey draws most of the attention and that's allowed Katy to come out of her shell at her place. When we started doing group walks 4 years ago Katy would tuck into Bailey's side for protection. This year she and my niece finished the walk crossing the line first. In past years she's always needed to wait for Bailey to catch up. This year she finally had the confidence to proceed without her faithful companion.

    That being said I'd agree with a previous poster. It's great to encourage her. However, you also have to accept her personality. She may not enjoy public performances.
     
  5. Chris

    Chris Premium Member

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    Beckon, aka Colonel Underpants, has fear issues. While he's fine at home, he is fearful of new people and skittish with non-family dogs. He likes Rally class - it truly helped build his confidence -- but he hates performing and I have to keep him away from the other class members.

    We learned from the amazing animal communicator Marta Williams that he doesn't have anything in his background that caused this -- he just is afraid. He was also upset that we thought he was a problem. We tell him now that we love him just the way he is. His confidence has grown, but he hasn't lost his fear aggression and never will. And that's ok.
     
  6. tofu pup

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    Your dog and my dog are soul-sisters! ;)

    From not feeling comfortable with shaping games (I honestly think she prefers not to have to guess what I want, she'd rather I just ask) to transforming from SuperDog at home to Clark Can't in new environments... right down to me feeling like we're getting nowhere, while my training buddies compliment me on how far she's come.

    I don't have any great advice for you; I'm certainly not ahead of the curve on this one. Like you, I have some experience competing with other dogs I've owned. Like you, I had certain goals and ideas for what I wanted to do with my dog - and a sincere hope that I could help her become a happy, confident dog at trials.

    As time goes by, though, I am re-evaluating those goals. It was hard at first, because (honestly, and this will make me sound mean) every dog I've ever owned has had a "job" or been "retired" after a long career. But my current dog is different. I acquired her when she was five years old, immediately after she had experienced a series of rehomings and transfers. She is similar to my previous dogs, in that she is very intelligent and loves to please. But she is different, in that (as far as I can tell) she missed out on crucial socialization experiences.

    I recently read this blog post by Denise Fenzi. It really made me think about what Betty Cocker's ideal "job" in life is. Don't get me wrong, all of my dogs have been my friends - but maybe, for Betty, being my friend is the best and perfect job for her.

    PS. Objectively, honestly? My training buddies are right: we HAVE come a long way together! And I bet you and your girl have, too. It might not look like what you had in mind, but I'm guessing that the progress is there.
     
  7. Caro

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    With a dog that lacks confidence it's important to set them up for success. Don't keep pushing them into situations where they shut down - because once they shut down you've lost them, they become overwhelmed and they won't learn anything. The more you put them into a particular stressful situation the more likely the dog will automatically shutdown in that situation.

    Find something your dog likes doing and focus on that. When Tully was attacked she went from shy to extremely timid. She was a high drive dog so I taught her fetch and we played fetch everyday. It really lifted her confidence, it was something that raised her endorphins, made her feel good and positive and confidence. It meant when we went into a situation that could be stressful I took a ball and played ball with her; even if it was just a few little throws on lead, it was enough that ball=confidence and that would be enough to change her view of the situation.

    When Tully started flyball she spent her entire first session in her crate just watching. If I took her out of the crate she'd be overwhelmed. But in the crate she could watch with safety. And watch she did - by the time she was ready to come out of her crate she'd actually already learnt flyball just by watching. We did something similar with agility. I really recommend you just let her watch agility for a while and not pressure her into running. Just play some games with her at the side so she can learn to have fun in that environment and not shut down. When she starts turning up to training with a wagging tail then think about joining in the class - but only in small amounts. Start with 5 minutes and build it up, but always stop before she starts to get stressed. Your goal isn't to have a happy, trialling dog - first goal, a happy dog, second goal, a dog that enjoys activities with you. Having trialling as your goal is putting too much pressure on her and means you're jumping ahead of her abilities.

    You mentioned obedience, do you attend classes? They would be a better option than agility, esp as she's already shutting down with agility. Agility can be a little too high energy for a timid dog, at obedience it's a calmer environment and she may be more responsive to that.

    As for shaping, it doesn't work well for all dogs. Tully isn't great at shaping behaviour, but show her and she learns extremely quickly, my other dog is the reverse. You might want to check out the "do as I do" training technique.

    Remember, as others have mentioned: Sometimes a dog just needs to be a dog.
     
  8. Hanne

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    I so agree with this - this should be a slogan of SN :wink2:
     
  9. Cubby2014

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    Have you tried scent? Scent tends to be a small area, alone, quiet, and very rewarding. I saw Cubby really blossom in scent classes until we had to go outside in the heat. The pavement was hot and the bushes smelled and he hated that part. However, indoors he had an absolute blast and pranced every time he made a find. Do you have a scent class you can try out?
     
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  10. Matsuki

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    Not sure if it's a "confidence" thing or an issue of setting but so far Sansa has been extremely playful with other pups that visit me at home and the cat at my friend who takes care of her where I'm out of the country on business....but when on walks and in the park, she happily walks over to greet all the other pups but it nearly always turns into this:



    ....sniff sniff, wait! you sniff back?!!

    backing away, running away, then coming back for some more but always cautious and never in a playful way.

    This pack here is owned by a quite knowledgeable older woman in the area that does agility/training/etc and offers a "pet hotel" service out of her home. Very happy to tun into her last year and get her info....but Sansa has never been there because I always seem to have more than a few friends who are willing to take care of her when I go out of town....but now I'm wondering if next time it might be a good idea to have her stay with this gang for a week of socialization and walks with a sheltie gang??


     

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