Hi there, I don't have much experience in training dogs to touch the up contact, because I always had (and have) shelties, who touch it automatically. Now there is a doberman in one of my classes and for him it's easier to jump up. I would be glad, if we could ignore that, 'cause it's really better for him, but we have a lot of judges here, who give a mistake for the up contact. Of course I have ideas, how to train it, but I want to collect as much ways as I can, so we can find the best for this dog. (Yes, I know, you all work with shelties, but...) Do you know methods? So far I know: - laying a bar in front - train with touch (- tunnel bow (hoop?) in front, but this is too small for him...) I just don't want to destroy his good down contacts... Thank you for ideas R. m. Q.