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Discussion in 'Flyball' started by roguskie, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. roguskie

    roguskie Forums Enthusiast

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    Pippi is just 6 months old and after showing some interest in fly (and agility) at a fun day on Monday the trainer has recommended that we start some very basic training. This training is just learning to catch the ball and touch an ice cream lid which will later be attached to the box. I'm just wondering if there are anyways to teach her to catch the ball. She has managed twice in about 50 throws so I wonder if it's just my throwing putting her off?
     
  2. kryslaurelle

    kryslaurelle Forums Enthusiast

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    I would really like to give flyball a try, too, and this is what has worked for me (note: I've never done flyball before, just watched :smile2:). At first Enzo wouldn't catch tennis balls, either - he would mostly watch them sail over his head. I noticed that he started having success catching bigger, floppier toys (more toy to catch, so it's easier!). If I made the toy really exciting and threw it to him, he would catch it.

    After that, I tried with smaller stuffed toys, like his sheep that are a little bit bigger than tennis balls. They were a lot harder for him to catch, but he had the drive to try and I made it a really big deal when he was successful! From there, I noticed that a lot of the time when I threw a tennis ball for him to chase, he would catch it mid-air when it bounced, so I started throwing them right to him, and he could catch them. Now he's pretty good at it.

    Hope that helps (and makes sense!)
     
  3. Caro

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    Been a couple of years since I taught a class, both my dogs having retired from flyball. However I do recall many dogs not being able to catch a ball at first. One of the methods we used was to use a tennis ball on a rope. For a small dog you can use a small ball. You want one that you can hold the rope in both hands with the ball in the middle (or you can adapt one so you have a rope running through it like that).

    You hold the ball rope with both hands and guide it to their mouth. Reward them when they touch it with their mouth, and big pay out if they put it in their mouth. When they have it in their mouth say 'catch' so they learn that catch means putting something in their mouth. Between times you can also run the ball along the ground and get them to chase, pounce and mouth it to build up it's value. Plus dogs are more likely to know to pick up a ball on the ground, so if you use the same ball toy they can transfer that knowledge from - she cheers when I put this ball in my mouth on the floor, maybe I should do the same in the air. At all times make it super fun.

    Couple of other tricks when you start throwing the ball without the rope. One is time when you say 'catch', the best time is as you toss the ball - don't go 'Fido catch' and then throw the ball, dogs are very good at timing from when you say catch to when the ball will arrive in their mouth. When you say it before throwing you timing is less accurate. The other trick is to lob the ball rather than throwing it directly at them. Long nose dogs have dreadful central vision, so lobbing the ball means they see some of the ball's arc and that makes it easier to determine when it will arrive at their mouth.
     
  4. SheepOfBlue

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    With Sca it was getting ball drive on the chase which was easy. Harder was the concept of going to get a stationary object. I used to tie him up (no one to hold him) then put food under the object to be retrieved, if he brought it he got more food. Being VERY food motivated he caught on fairly fast. At that point as he tried to get faster and faster on retrieval (stationary or thrown) he got better at 'cheating' by snatching on the run or catching.

    Spitfire does not perform unless Spitfire deems it needed :ick thus he still does not play flyball (he is also fearful and reactive in addition to full of attitude)
     
  5. Jess041

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    The way we trained Missy was we put the ball on the ledge of the box, she always did a very nice turn to get it. Then we started putting the ball in the hole, but put a little piece of foam by the trigger mechanism so it doesn't trigger as fast. This keeps the ball from popping out really fast, and helps dogs who might be fearful of the noise. I mean.. how would you feel going up to something knowing it's going to pop a ball in your face? Anyways, she caught on very quickly. She never bobbles. BUT- she isn't always successful if I throw the ball. I don't think she has great eye-mouth? coordination. She always manages to make the ball bounce off her mouth, in the opposite direction. It's actually kinda weird how she can get the ball from the box flawlessly every time, but can't catch a ball in the air when thrown every time.

    Also, it might have to do with the type of ball you're using. Missy uses a soft tennis ball, so it's the same size as a regular tennis ball, it's just lower compression. A lot of Shelties use smaller foam balls because they're mouths are too small for a tennis ball. Or they just prefer the softer foam ball. In fact, I think Missy is the only Sheltie in our region that doesn't use the foam balls.

    Low compression tennis balls-
    http://www.pennracquet.com/qst60.html

    foam balls-
    http://amzn.com/B00MXNIEOQ
     
  6. SheepOfBlue

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    Sca is a tennis ball sized foam (at home tennis balls are great but not tournaments)

    Spitfire is using a little foam. He can get a tennis ball at home but struggles and it is almost a competing with Sca thing to get it done :hugs
     
  7. roguskie

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    Thanks for all your advice. We are using the mini tennis balls at home at the moment which she is struggling to catch unless off a bounce.
    For box training we are encouraging her with treats to step on a ice cream lid which we will attach to the box later to get her used to it.

    Does anyone know which foam balls we are allowed to use for fly?
     
  8. SheepOfBlue

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    Not 100% sure of your rules but for NAFA it cannot squeek and the box has to throw it a certain distance. There may be further rules in the book but not that I know. We use little foam balls that are about the same size as the little tennis balls. They can grip them better if they have small mouths like Spitfire. Sca could use a full size tennis ball but uses foam. I think most of that is we started training on that based on the coaches opinion. He drops a lot if he has tennis balls but almost never with foam. And when he does it is usually my fault for reaching for the food bag to early :eek:
     

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