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Lynne

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a site that explains visually exactly what the standard means? The Parson Russell Terrier national breed club has one and i wondered if shelties have ever had one.

Some of the standard is very straight forward but other parts of it make me wonder.

"Two-angled head. Too prominent stop, or no stop. Overfill below, between, or above eyes. Prominent nuchal crest. Domed skull. Prominent cheekbones. Snipy muzzle"

What is properly angled and what is two-angled? What makes a stop perfect, and what is too prominent? What is overfill, perfect fill, or underfill around the eyes? And what is a snipy muzzle? :eek2:

Comparisons pics or diagrams would be great if they are out there. Just my wondering mind wanting to know.
 
Lynne said:
a site that explains visually exactly what the standard means? The Parson Russell Terrier national breed club has one and i wondered if shelties have ever had one.

Some of the standard is very straight forward but other parts of it make me wonder.

"Two-angled head. Too prominent stop, or no stop. Overfill below, between, or above eyes. Prominent nuchal crest. Domed skull. Prominent cheekbones. Snipy muzzle"

What is properly angled and what is two-angled? What makes a stop perfect, and what is too prominent? What is overfill, perfect fill, or underfill around the eyes? And what is a snipy muzzle? :eek2:

Comparisons pics or diagrams would be great if they are out there. Just my wondering mind wanting to know.
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That's kind of a loaded question. It's up to some very widely ranging opinions.
 
Herd4fun said:
That's kind of a loaded question. It's up to some very widely ranging opinions.
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I think its pretty standard, I mean there are slight variables that each judge likes better some like more stop some slightly less but this is where you will get a better judgment from a judge who fully knows the breed than say an all around judge. Where an all around judge there is more leeway IMHO where they will let more slide, than say a breeder judge who knows what the sheltie standard is and what its supposed to look like.
It also helps you understand the standard when your able to put your hands on a correct dog or have someone whos been in the breed for awhile go over your dog and point out the subtle little faults that a novice may miss.
Its all about a hands on approach and feeling the difference, to me anyway it brings home the points when you can feel/see them maybe im more of a visual person though:wink2:
 
thanks everyone! I guess I am curious about how Jake measures up and what I will be seeing at shows. One local breeder commented that he has a big coat but she didn't put her hands on him. Next time I will ask her for an evaluation. I hope he and Meg do well in juniors, but I know of one girl who was told that she would do better with a better dog.

I looked at his breeders website http://www.blevinsdogs.50megs.com/ and I suspect that this may be a BYB. I noticed no show dogs or titles bragged about. Patrick is Jake's dad and Lacie is his mom. Blue merle x sable merle. I have looked at the sites of good local breeders (Belmark, Laurelen, etc) and have not seen anyone risking merle-merle breeding.

Knowing what quality he is will also make me feel better about taking him out of the gene pool :lol: I guess maybe wanting the best is a natural people thing...
 
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