SheltieChe
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if any of you still looking to train retrieve, good steps are shown in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFO9Z0oHBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oFO9Z0oHBA
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Caro
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I taught mine to chase the ball first then taught the bringing it back then putting it in my hand - I guess its basically the same, just in a different order.
But here is a question for the clicker people. Do you always treat after you click? It seems quite cumbersome.
But here is a question for the clicker people. Do you always treat after you click? It seems quite cumbersome.
I don't have a play retrieve. All of mine are done as formal retrieves to avoid the dog playing with the dumbbell or glove. Adele Yunk's Totally Fetching video is pretty good.
As for clicking/marking... anytime I give my mark word "Yes" (or click) it is an ending of the behavior and a treat always follows. My "continue what you're doing" words do not result in a treat as the behavior has not ended yet.
As for clicking/marking... anytime I give my mark word "Yes" (or click) it is an ending of the behavior and a treat always follows. My "continue what you're doing" words do not result in a treat as the behavior has not ended yet.
BarbV
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Teaching the dogs to retrieve is instinctual for them, however only if I do it individually.
If I play fetch with the two dogs together they go into competition and the game becomes "grab the toy and run away". Sigh!
If I play fetch with the two dogs together they go into competition and the game becomes "grab the toy and run away". Sigh!
Justicemom
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Teaching the dogs to retrieve is instinctual for them, however only if I do it individually.
If I play fetch with the two dogs together they go into competition and the game becomes "grab the toy and run away". Sigh!
Not always. I have 1 sheltie who is a natural retriever and that's Justice.
Ember has no retrieving instinct at all. Her motto is you threw it you get it. Diva would chase but she would not pick it up or bring it back. With both Diva and Ember they needed to be taught to retrieve.
Porter is also looking to be a chase but don't retrieve. He will run with the others when playing ball but he does not even look at the ball. He chases the other dogs.
My experience with other shelties has been the same. Very few of them are natural retrievers. I also do not teach a play retrieve for the very reason it turns into an option as in "grab the toy and run away" or "I'll get it when I feel like it" In competition you get 1 command and they must do it smartly out and back and also over a jump or as a dead(non moving) retrieve in utilty.
I teach a formal hold(shaped) and then the take(shaped at first) and finally the run and fetch. Porter has a nice hold already and is just learning the take from my hand. I would ever ask him to retrieve a dumbbell off the floor yet. I do think Adele yunke's video is really good as well.
SheltieChe
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hmm, that is not what I am taught... According to Bob Bailey after you mark whether with clicker or verbal marker you are reinforcing everything that happens between click and giving food reward so one has to be really careful what you are actually reinforcing...
SheltieChe
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Leo has natural retrieve and Che had to be taught pretty similarly, one step holding, next step picking up etc
My GSDs have a natural retrieve but I still teach the formal one. After all, you just have the once in competition...
Neither of my Shelties are natural retrievers. By and large, most sheltie folks I have talked to, also do not have natural retrievers. Lucky you if you have one!
Well, Bob Bailey himself does NOT consider himself to be a "clicker trainer." Interview with Bob Bailey These days, and even Bob Bailey agrees, the guru on clicker training is Karen Pryor. She answers this question of "does the click end the behavior" here Does the Click End the Behavior?
Personally, I am not a clicker trainer. I use a clicker and/or verbal markers in training to fine tune a number of behaviors. But in the truest sense of the method, I am not a "clicker trainer."
The important part of using a clicker or marker in training is the timing of the click/mark. If your dog does not understand that the click means treat means reinforceable behavior, then of course your dog is going to think that anything between the click and food is reinforced. With a dog that understands the mark/click, s/he will repeat the behavior you clicked for at the time of the click, not everything or anything following it between.
So, if your dog is expecting a reward after something you didn't think you clicked for, this tells me that your (general "you" not anyone personally!) timing is off.
Neither of my Shelties are natural retrievers. By and large, most sheltie folks I have talked to, also do not have natural retrievers. Lucky you if you have one!
SheltieChe said:
Well, Bob Bailey himself does NOT consider himself to be a "clicker trainer." Interview with Bob Bailey These days, and even Bob Bailey agrees, the guru on clicker training is Karen Pryor. She answers this question of "does the click end the behavior" here Does the Click End the Behavior?
Personally, I am not a clicker trainer. I use a clicker and/or verbal markers in training to fine tune a number of behaviors. But in the truest sense of the method, I am not a "clicker trainer."
The important part of using a clicker or marker in training is the timing of the click/mark. If your dog does not understand that the click means treat means reinforceable behavior, then of course your dog is going to think that anything between the click and food is reinforced. With a dog that understands the mark/click, s/he will repeat the behavior you clicked for at the time of the click, not everything or anything following it between.
So, if your dog is expecting a reward after something you didn't think you clicked for, this tells me that your (general "you" not anyone personally!) timing is off.
BarbV
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What is involved with the hold, take and fetch? I don't do agility or obedience, but it would be great to get some basic run and fetch for exercise purposes only.