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Tully - lots of tests and now a diagnosis

Discussion in 'Senior Sheltie Health' started by Caro, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. Caro

    Caro Moderator

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    After a month of scans, tests and an endoscopy poor little Tully has a few diagnosis.

    Tully has been sick for some time, basically at the same time as Deska so I've been very worried I'll lose her too. The Internist found she has moderate to severe IBD. Basically her intestines are very inflamed and scarred, which is causing allergies, sensitivities, and malabsorption. She will be on a high dose of prednisolone for a few months, then on a lower dose with another drug for a year or longer. And she's on a very strict, low fat, limited ingredient diet. I'll be putting baby locks on all the cupboards.

    So Tully has what Deska had, except his progressed to cancer. We only found out about Tully because of Deska getting very sick and seeing the specialists; the same Internist is treating Tully. If only one vet, in all those years, the hundreds of consults and thousands of dollars had picked it up.

    On top of that, we saw the ortho vet and she has severe arthritis in her right elbow - which is why she's having trouble walking. And her false hip is not aligned properly. Unfortunately, there's nothing she can take because of the IBD.

    I am seriously reconsidering not getting another Sheltie. The ortho vet said arthritis is a big problem in Shelties and almost no breeders hip/elbow score. All the health issues are exhausting.
     
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  2. Chris

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    Caro, while I am so sorry Tully has chronic illness, I am glad you know and that it's not cancer. I truly understand being reluctant to get another Sheltie -- they do have issues in the breed -- mucocele, arthritis, kidney. Here we deal with thyroid (Beckon), arthritis (Bits) and a couple of bouts of pancreatitis (Beckon and Layla). Here in the states, reputable breeders all test for hips, but even then, it can crop up. As you recall, we had elbows done here (Layla and Bits), but we're fortunate to live near the top orthopedic vet in the nation. But you're right; the cost is intimidating, not to mention the stress. Just promise if you get a non-Sheltie, you;ll still stay with us!!
     
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  3. Ann

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    I'm sorry Tully's diagnosis is so daunting, Caro, but at least you know what the problem is now and that's half the battle. IBD is challenging but manageable.

    Is there a veterinary chiropractor near you? We're lucky enough to have a great one here and she's done amazing things for my dogs with joint or arthritis problems, using either chiro or acupuncture. That might help Tully. Just a thought.

    Sending you hugs and pats to little Tully.
     
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  4. Piper's mom

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    I'm so sorry that Tully has so many health issues! Makes me wonder about the dog food down there and the lack of regulations with both your dogs having IBS!
    I know how difficult it is to treat arthritis when your dog can't have pain medication...Riley keeps having flare ups with his back AND high liver enzymes so I'm really hoping it's not the Metacam!
    Is there anything you can give Tulley for the pain? Riley gets a Gabapentin in the morning and at bedtime and an 8 kg dose of Metacam in the morning...this low dose of Metacam (a dog his size would normally get a 17 kg dose) seems to help alleviate most of his pain...he still has a bit of pain (I think) as he sits slow and will sit when waiting for food instead of standing. If she can't have the Metacam then perhaps something else to pair with the Gabapentin?
    Otherwise you could apply heat to her elbow, and I definitely would look for a vet chiropractor as Ann suggested for her hip.
     
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  5. Caro

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    My vet does acupuncture and chiro, but I found they only get a day's relief. I will make an appointment with the physio to get some stretching/strengthening/massage advice. I used Deska's Gabapentin for Tully (on vet advice) but had trouble dividing the capsule for her little size. Although the Internist said to wait as she'll get relief from the cortisone. Will try the warmth/ice, it's free!

    I think the IBD is from the 'dietary indiscretions' when Tully was younger and on steroids for her grass allergy. Tully used to get on the benchtop and get into all sorts of things - lost 4 entire roast chickens, bags of chocolate, glass of port and the list goes on, much vomiting and pancreatitis. So it's an irony she's back on steroids to manage it. Specialist thinks Deska's IBD was due to long term use of NSAIDs (8 yrs), sadly, and manageable if the vets had been onto the IBD. The first I'd heard of IBD in dogs was when Ashley talked about it on Sheltie Forums. Sheltie stomachs seem very sensitive.

    Maybe I should get a cattle dog - they're sturdy and live into their 20s. Not sure Tully would forgive me though.
     
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  6. Piper's mom

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    Yup...Sheltie's are most definitely determined dogs when it comes to getting things they shouldn't have!
    Piper would get things if he could...he certainly tries lol!
     
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  7. Sharon7

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    Oh gosh I am so incredibly sorry for you and Tully, Caro. Until the forums, I've never heard of IBD in Shelties over here. Hopefully the steroids will get her on the right track, and since they are such good anti-inflammatories, it should help with her arthritis. I can understand your being spooked about getting another Sheltie but that would be sad. Altho I do have a soft spot for the Cattle Dogs, they are pretty cool.
     
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  8. Cindy

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    I hope having a diagnosis helps a little bit. I know I still struggle with not having one for Gavin. I just try to take solice in the fact that 6 vets have seen him, he has had X-rays, and not one thought it was his CCL (and god knows if it was one of them would have caught it and recommended $$ surgery). Part of me is tempted to try a brace anyway, but most of them want a cast or x-ray and a vet diagnosis.
     
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  9. Margi

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    Poor Tully, but at least you have something you can do to fix it! I think no matter what breed of dog you get its a crap shoot. I'm not even sure the old adage that a mutt doesn't have issues is valid. My goldie had issues, my dobes had issues...shoot I have issues :)
     
  10. Caro

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    Aaargh. Tully's now at the emergency hospital overnight. First day on steroids, I left her for 25min and she managed to get my training bag off the back of the door. For a tiny Sheltie that took determination.

    So they'll make her vomit and hope that's the right thing to do - as with all the investigations she's had her eosophagus probably hasn't recovered. Keep her in for obs, pump her with stomach protectorates and hope. In the meantime I may need to go to hospital myself, so it couldn't have come at a worst time.
     

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