Housebreaking difficulties with rescued sheltie

Marci

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Hi. I'm new to the forum and new to shelties. I've had collies, usually 2 or 3 at a time, since 1987. In 2009, I adopted a beagle/schnauzer mix from a local shelter. A month ago, I adopted my first sheltie, so now I have a senior smooth collie, Sandy, a 2.5 year old beagle/schnauzer mix, Scamp, and a 4 year old sable male sheltie, Willie-Twister (he was named Twister, we are renaming him Willie, and the rescue organization advised using both names for a while, and then gradually dropping the name you don't want).

Here's the problem. The sheltie is very shy, seems petrified of everything, including everyone in my house (except me) as well as the two other dogs. He has made a lot of progress in a month: he can eat out of a bowl, drink out of a bowl, take treats from my hand, mastered the stairs, and will come to me almost anytime I call (unless someone scary is close by). What he can't grasp is the concept that its not OK to poop or pee in the house. If I put him out when he needs to go, he'll go. But he does not try to tell me he needs to go out, and he doesn't make any signs that I can pick up on. Most "normal" dogs pace or circle when they need to go. This dog spends the vast majority of his timing doing laps around tables and I can't tell if its just is usual nervousness, or he needs to go out. Just about every morning, I let him out, and he pees outside. Then while I'm preparing his breakfast, or right after he eats, he does laps around the kitchen, and the poop just falls out - he doesn't even have to squat. Today was the first really nice day since I got him, and I discovered that he was afraid to go outside while the neighbors kids were playing in their yard that backs up to ours. I waited until the kids were gone to force him to go out, but it was too late. He had already lifted his leg on the kitchen cabinet (which is one of the "borders" of the area he regularly circles). I was in the kitchen the whole time and it happened so fast I didn't even see it. I say "force him to go out" because we have a dog door. He can go out anytime he wants. So far, he only goes out if he is afraid of someone in the house (he's had a really hard time warming up to my husband and 14-year old son), or if he is following the other dogs (since he is still a little afraid of them, this doesn't happen often, but I know it does when he's really excited).

I think he was probably housebroken at some point in his life. He is almost 4, and was an owner surrender (they said they had too many dogs) to a rescue, then adopted out to someone, then returned (for playing too rough), then went to another rescue, then to me.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm having a hard time figuring out what is "normal" sheltie behavior versus what might be due his history.
 
Well being 4 years old,and in his situation,I'm sure like you said he may have been housetrained at some point,but has lost his manners due to stress,his enviorment in rescue,and simply he has reverted to going when he is scared.Hence the floor,or cabinets are convienant.

I think going back to puppy 101 is needed~

But anyhow,these are my thoughts.Does he need to be on a leash while going potty? I ask this because some dogs are shy about doing thier business while tethered to a short leash. If he needs tethering,try a long training leash,so he can wander farther from you.

If you are fenced,this is where possibly a bit of tough love comes to play.He simply is not being left long enough to go potty,and then he comes in a does his thing.
I have seen pups,that do not squat to poop,it just comes out,and mostly due to nervousness.There is no warning,it just happens. I think one of two remedies:

Keep him tethered to you while you fix breakfast,and utilize a crate.If you do not have one...go get one! If he does not fully relieve himself,put him back in the crate,then take him out say 10-15 minutes later.If no result,put him back in his crate.

When he goes potty (outside),you do a big happy dance,like party like no tomorrow! Offer him a nice treat,and reinforce the good behavior.

As far as his favorite spot to potty in the house,it needs a really good cleaning.Invest in Nature's Miracle.And totally sanitize,clean the areas good.Keep the stuff in a squirt bottle to wipe up messes on hard surfaces.Or use a good solution of vinegar & water.

If he is constantly pooping/peeing on your carpet,what worked for me very well,was to shampoo the areas,and I will tell you my shampooer gets a workout,even now with Mia,and I only have a 9x12 area rug,it still gets a cleaning whenever she has an accident.Good hot water,natures miracle to get rid of any oder.

as far as your doggie door,unless he is used to it,and he knows that it connects him to the outside,and it is used to eliminate outside,I see it as something that you will need to work on.But first he needs to eliminate OUTSIDE..to get the hint.



And lastly,patience~ Consistancy~ Routine~ and even more patience!
 
HI, Marci!
I am glad you are joining in! If you browse through old posts there is lots of good info there.
Yep, just because Twister is 4 years old it does not mean he knows what to do... back to puppy 101 you go, pretend he is a wee pup and start from there, no doggy door for now, out with you or on the leash, wait until he is done, if not done in few minutes back to crate, out again in few minutes etc... first couple of weeks could be a challenge... write down his pee/ poop schedule, follow it... remove water at evening if he does not hold overnight....out at regular times and often, reward VERY heavily 10 -15 tiny treats given one after another when he potties...
 
I agree with what has been said already. The key to housetraining a dog (whether puppy or adult) is to be extremely vigilant. Start to learn their habits. You will start to learn what times he'll need to go, and it will be easier to predict when he'll need to go out.

Dog doors are nice, but it doesn't allow you to learn his schedule or even reward him when he goes outside.

Stay on top of him, crate him when you aren't around, and if you can't be watching him like a hawk--into the crate he goes.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. Thank-you so much for adopting a Sheltie and bringing them into your home. Shelties are reserved creatures, but once they come out of their shells they are the smartest most devoted pets.

In regards to the housetraining, I would have to agree with what everyone here has said. Back to basic 101. You are going to have to be vigilant about getting him out when he is not being crated. If he is pacing around the table, you may need to put him in his crate as he is not feeling secure. After he goes out.
 
Forward progress...

I want to thank everyone for their help. I guess I needed to make sure I was solving the right problem - housebreaking - rather than nerves. I wasn't sure if I was wasting my time with housebreaking; if it was possible that this dog was just too scared/nervous to do the right thing even if he knew what it was. I had been crating him over night, and I had been treating him like a puppy (putting him out before/after eating and sleeping, etc.) because he was not giving me any signs as to when he needed to go out. I was thinking about the tethering-him-to-me in the morning because I know the right thing to do is to put him back in the crate if he doesn't do anything outside, however, his crate is upstairs in my bedroom, and at the time he is having the problem, I am feeding the kids and getting them off to school, and running up and down the stairs to crate and uncrate the dog just isn't practical. And taking him outside and watching him to make sure he's doing something wasn't working because he won't do anything when I'm watching. He just follows me around; when I stop walking he sits down in front of me and looks up at me like "now what". If we were in obedience school, it would be a perfect finish!
In spite of all that, he hasn't had an accident since I posted this! And during that time, I stopped crating him at night, even though I can't see him doing anything at night before I go to bed. I believe I have figured out his problem in the morning: he wants to stay in the house until he gets fed (maybe he is afraid he will miss out if he is outside?) but he is nervous to be in the kitchen because my 14-year old son is there eating breakfast (he is still very nervous around my husband and son), so he does laps (instead of running out the dog door, which is what he would do if it wasn't a meal time). Once he's had breakfast, he is content to go outside and stay there as long as he needs to. So the only thing I've done different is feed them a little earlier so he can get outside a little earlier. Also, he's been with us for a little over a month now, and he's getting a little bit more comfortable, so maybe he's better able to control himself. This was the first week that I've actually seen him look happy: he has started playing with my other dogs, and he now wags his tale when he greets me in the morning or when I come home from someplace. Sounds trivial, but after a month of never having seen him wag his tale, I was pretty excited the first time. And since we've been living together for over a month, I'm going to be even more excited if he ever kisses me!
 
I can relate...I have a 10-ish year old rescue sheltie who just came out of a puppy mill not quite a year and a half year ago. We've had her for about a year. So this girl spent her whole life pottying wherever and whenever the mood struck. I still can't trust her out of her crate alone, because if she has to go, she will! The funny thing is, when I leash her up, she goes right to the door and does her business outside with no problem. But SHE won't go to the door on her own...she'll just go on the carpet. Wouldn't you think they would make the connection? :confused2: I guess old habits die hard. Sometimes I will catch her spinning, and then I'll grab her leash and run her outside. As for trotting around the table, she does this whenever I'm in the kitchen, because she thinks I MUST be making her something to eat! :yes:

But at her age, I struggle with knowing how much she can really be taught. I hate to say it this way, because I love her to pieces, but she doesn't seem like the sharpest tack in the bunch....maybe because my other sheltie is too smart for his own good! (Or mine!) :cool: Poor little soul doesn't have an ounce of sheltie instinct left, that I can tell anyway.

Rescues are a challenge, that's for sure.
 
Actually, my two don't signal about needing to go out, either, unless it's so urgent (diarrhea) then they do go to the door and look at me. But they've never had a real signal, we just keep them on a consistent schedule so they wait until it's time.

Of my various foster dogs, only a couple actually gave a clear "signal" for needing out. I really don't count on it, if it's a dog I don't know, they go out every couple of hours to go, and I keep track of when they last went. Sounds like your guy is making progress but Puppy 101 is the way to go till hopefully it clicks in.

Good luck. Poor guy has been shuffled around so much no wonder he's nervous.

Sharon
 
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