Novice handler exercises and jump height training

MorningBrew

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Hi!

Brew has been in agility and agility prep classes since then end of December and now, we are in our second Foundations course which teaches some basic handling and getting Brew used to different obstacles. In class, we've most recently been working on accel/decel exercises combined with front crosses/wraps and obstacles have only been in straight lines. The teacher has been teaching things prettily slowly since a lot of people in the class don't practice at home, but she has been pushing me ahead of the class and I might move to a different, more advanced class at some point (idk). That's why I've been doing some exercises on my own (nothing that deviates from the teacher's training).

I have 3 bar jumps (that can combine into double and triple jumps) and 2 tunnels at home so I've worked on accel/decel, front crosses/wrap, tunnel work (curved, angled approaches, >90 degree exits), slice jumps, and double jumps. Right now, the bar jumps are consistently at 12 inches (with a rarity of dropped poles) and I want to work towards the 16 inch height (he's 15.3 at the withers).

For the heck of it, my dad kept throwing a ball over a 16 inch jump and he consistently went over it, but in a formal training scenario, he would run straight towards the jump and deviate around it when about 2-3 feet in front of it. Strangely enough, he will extend, slice, and wrap over the double jump at 15 inches. I was planning on increasing the height an inch every few days starting at 12 in hopes that it won't be a steep learning curve. I think the problem is that the double jump has the cross bars underneath so there's no trouble, but my single jumps are set up with a fixed bar at 2 inches. When Brew ran towards the 16 inch jump, at around 2-3 feet away, the perspective may have changed and when he saw the huge gap, he got confused and sharply changed his path around the jump. Should I possibly change the jump configuration so that the lower bar is at around 4-6 inches? How would I then train for a one-bar jump? Also, is it okay to increase the jump heights like this in respect to his muscles and preventing injury? He is 16+ months old and has pretty strong leg muscles that he uses a lot each day to jump in the house, but I don't want to shock them.

Also, any advice on other training exercises for a novice handler and a dog with the above skill set would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
 
For a green and young dog I'd do either one or the other...don't lump training.
do one jump exercises before sequences, learn commitment point and value for jumps first.
when learning pushes or digs or other handling don't make them think about height.
 
learn commitment point and value for jumps first

Thank you! Brew and I have been doing a lot better this week. What kind of exercises can be done to make that commitment point concrete and I'm not sure how to word it, but let's say, how would I teach him that his commitment for the jump should be before he even collects for the jump. I've noticed that if I signal a front cross a hair before he collects, very occasionally he will stop and turn towards me if he doesn't have as much forward drive. But if I tell him to go into the tunnel, his commitment point is much farther away from the entrance.
 
Having an earlier commitment point or higher value for a tunnel versus a jump is very common. Much more often people work discrimination drills asking for tunnel sends versus turns in front of a tunnel for that very reason.
 
Thank you! Brew and I have been doing a lot better this week. What kind of exercises can be done to make that commitment point concrete and I'm not sure how to word it, but let's say, how would I teach him that his commitment for the jump should be before he even collects for the jump. I've noticed that if I signal a front cross a hair before he collects, very occasionally he will stop and turn towards me if he doesn't have as much forward drive. But if I tell him to go into the tunnel, his commitment point is much farther away from the entrance.

Commitment point isn't something you can actually train to make a concrete physical point, such as 2 feet from the jump, because it changes based on the obstacle, speed the dog is traveling, and also the dog's comfort/experience levels (a green dog is going to need more support than a dog that has been running for 2 or 3 years).

It's better in a scenario like you describe above with your front cross is to keep drilling it until he completely understands what he's supposed to do. You may need to provide additional support for a closer commitment point until your dog really "gets" the job associated with taking the jump and you performing a front cross. As Brew learns the skill, perform your cross sooner. If he fails, step back and support the jump again.

Teaching distance commands, such as "go"/"go on" for sending your dog ahead of you or "out" to send them laterally to your side will also help with that commitment point and you being able to do crosses at different, more advantageous, points.

He'll get to the point you want, he's just not ready for the level of performance you are asking for ... YET.
 
As Brew learns the skill, perform your cross sooner. If he fails, step back and support the jump again.

Teaching distance commands, such as "go"/"go on" for sending your dog ahead of you or "out" to send them laterally to your side will also help with that commitment point and you being able to do crosses at different, more advantageous, points.

Thanks! Brew definitely understands the deceleration cues I give him, even if a jump is very close to a tunnel entrance, but the very occasional "its easier to stop before the jump if I'm not going fast" happens if the front cross is early in the sequence. I support the jump now with "over" but Brew and I don't have any training in sends yet and I don't want to start a habit of supporting a jump with pointing. My "over" command will get him to align himself in front of a jump to go over, but not as a send over a jump.

I'm sorry if my statements sound ridiculous because I'm so novice.
 
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