ordered belles first actual crate today.

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miss belle decided she was NOT going to be stuck in a bin anymore PERIOD! this little 10 week old cutie is like heck no i want out and climbed right out. so yep i do know for a fact that she did climb into my bed with me out of her bin, last week sneeky little devil. jake never did that one lol! i have a small carrier crate that is good for her now she can turn around and lay down in it, though its small. so walmart.com had a 24" one for $27 with no shipping or tax so i bought it. my purpose is to potty train her, that will be the only reason for her to be in a crate.

she doesnt make sense to me, half the time she will do both outside, then half the time she is pooping inside. she is sleeping in my bed with me since i dont make her stay in the small crate, and nothing on my bed, wakes me up with paws in the face about 5am to go outside and will do both. i have a queen size bed so she sleeps right next to my pillow on the other side of the bed. though she does have a thing about sleeping in my hair for about an hour before she moves. (also chews and plays with my long hair. lol!).

i think though i need to get more consistency with her though, and here is where the problem is going to come in. i am starting my new work at home phone job tommorow. im trying to do as late of hours as possible so maybe she will be sleeping, and not crying to be out of the cage. i have one bird now, so no tony going after her, i adopted him to a sweet couple, and he has his normal fun personality back. and skye is so sweet as usual. so its gonna be interesting keep my zoo quiet.

anyway, what is the best suggestion on crate training and keeping them from whining.( and oh my goodness is jake protective of her. she still cant get up the porch steps so i carry her in. (but go figure she can get out of her bin and down the stairs.) jake goes nuts barking at me. )
 
Some people use their crates for different things. I use mine for a lot of stuff. My dogs sleep in them, eat in them, and when I am grooming one dog I put the other in the crate. Smudge goes mad with rage if he is on the grooming table and Fluffy is on the floor, prancing around and giving him sass!

The biggest tip on the whining: Unless your dog has to go to the bathroom don't give in. Also, make sure you make your crate into a nice place the dog will want to be in. Don't make it a place of punishment. Fluffy loves her crate, and if she is randomly "lost" she can be found in her crate!

You might want to limit some of this to a certain degree while you are still house training, but here is a good list of stuff to keep in your crate:

- pet bed, blanket, or pillow of some sort
- fresh water
- toys (a puppy kong might be a good idea)

Fluffy went to the bathroom on hers a few times by accident until she was house broken is why I say you might want to limit the number of toys you put in the crate. Either that or make sure it is something you can put in the wash!
 
thanks.. she is so different to train the jake was. well the benefit of working at home is i can take her out several times a day. just not quite getting why when she sleeps with me at night will she wake me up to go potty and she will go potty outside. but when she is not on my bed with me awake or asleep me too awake or asleep, on the floor running out she doesnt tell me. i k now she is just a baby and im sure she is still figuring it out. i have never yelled at her or spanked her. i actually did with jake, and he is loving and sweet but seems intimadated by me, so im not doing this again and probably never should have to begain with. i do reward belle though with a treat when she does potty outside, and even jake too so he doesnt get jealous. its funny now when i say puppy come here, both dogs come up to me, jake will put his snout through the arm of my chair for me to pet him. so i did something right lol. just not gonna do the yelling spanking thing. i will put some toys in their and chew stuff. belle and skye my macaw both love to play with empty water bottles, and its funny to watch belle bat around a raw hide treat like she is a cat.

what age is the best for them to really start understanding potty is outside? when would you begain to normally start potty training a puppy? do normal breeders start when they are young? well at 10 weeks i think she should start understanding now right?
 
what age is the best for them to really start understanding potty is outside? when would you begain to normally start potty training a puppy? do normal breeders start when they are young? well at 10 weeks i think she should start understanding now right?

I start mine with the concept of outside potty around the end of the 6th week. Do they get it ....no not at all they just think hey this is a cool new place lets pick up and eat everything we can find:rolleyes2: I'd say by the 8th week it starts to click, they still have accidents especially if your not watching them like a hawk!! but by 3-3 1/2 months they are fully trained. Of course there are exceptions some get it quicker than others, but that is a rough guide.

Mine are also crate trained by 7 weeks before they go to their new homes so its not traumatic for them and they still have their litter mates for security. I also make sure they are all pottied before going into their crate, if they complain and cry I only let it go on for 5 min or so than they get the can of pennies and that stops them..Shelties are fast learners. Its doesnt take them more than a few times to figure out what they can get away with and what they cant!!!

All my dogs love their crates, and yes when their crates were up stairs if someone was "missing" they were always found sleeping away in their crates!
 
thanks. well she is now sleeping comfortably in her starter crate. the new one should be here in about 10 days or so. i have her in my bedroom right now, i was in there earlier going through clothes since im down 65lbs and my sizes are everywhere (sooooo frustrating) and she was just peacefully resting not whining. she did poop in my my room, so i showed it to her, did not shove her nose in it or anything), lightly tapped her on the butt and said no, potty goes outside, and cleaned it up on a towel and put it outside and told her potty goes outside, so she looked at the papertowel. im gonna leave it there for a couple of days so she will see it when she goes outside. it took jake 3.5 months to get it from when i got him from petland at 3 months. but he wasnt jumping out of the bin either. they both have different personalities. Im just reminding myself PATIENCE NIKKI, SHE IS A BABY!!!!!! Im so learning to be nice and calm, i just yell to the wall darn it the other way. I do notice if i yell at my bird and i am holding the puppy belle, she shakes, so im not going to yell at her at all. i havent been a dog person in a long time, jake changed that in me, and i was still becoming a dog person, i hate to say it, but jake was like my protector, something happened this year, me and jake bonded, and when he walks with me at the park i look at him and feel so much love in my heart. i love him so much, belle of course is my child. just like skye is, and i think with pagans they are called your familars. but im very happy i didnt ruin jake with the way i trained him. so i appreciate all advice. while im in here about training, i will say, last time i was at the park, i went into the bathroom, and jake did not like being in the stall with me, and the min i opened the door to walk out he took off, im like crap. this little girl said oh he went that way and pointed im hysterical, i have an amazing dog, he was sitting in the grass about 5 inches from the bathroom waiting for me!!!
 
No, you never want to yell at the dog after the fact. They won't connect the dots, and they will think that you are yelling at them for some other reason.

With crate training or any house-training, for that matter, consistency and scheduling is key.

1) You need eyes in the back of your head. Turn your head for a second, and dog will poop. Hopefully, you will catch her in the act so that you can scoop her up and interrupt it and let her finish outdoors. Then praise and treats.

If you don't then quietly just clean it up (thorougly!)

2) Keep to a schedule as much as you can. Get up, potty; eat potty; play time, potty; Crate time, sleep. When leaving crate, potty, etc.

3) Gradually extend the times that you bring pups outside to potty, while at the same time keeping your eye on them. You want them to learn to hold it,

4) Watch for circling, sniffing behaviour....that's a signal that they are getting ready to go.

5) Always talke them out the same door. Eventually, they will learn to scratch or bark at the door when they need to go out.

My boys at 2 1/2 pretty much potty by clockwork. If they ask to go out, its because they want to play.
 
thank you. i know i have caught bell doing the circleing sniffing behavior and put her out. i caught her in the middle of the act and put her out. course i reward her when she goes outside. i have had her out of the crate for awhile now keeping an eye her, my mom stopped over so i figured i would go out to greet her and put the dogs out and sure enough belle did both duties. sometimes she gets it sometimes she doesnt. thats why i dont yell at her. i screwed them up with jake. however jake wont bark to go out he just goes to the door or he will make a whining sound.

now lately though, i will ask belle or tell belle lets go potty and jake will bark at me, im not sure if its cuz he is very protective of belle, or if its recognizing the potty thing. he is really good, other than sometimes he has pooped in the basement, im assuming when im sleeping or not home. its not very often.
 
izabella and her new crate

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Midwest-P...le-Door-Pet-Crate-with-Divider-Panel/14301507

this actually took about 3 days to get here i was impressed.

this is the crate i got for her, which is actually nice for the price, she looks small in it lol. she is getting used to it, and relazing most of the time. its been hard with this loose stool problem. she did so good going outside for potty, she did poop then i brought her in and had an accident on the floor, caught her in the middle of it and put her outside and told her no potty outside very nicely. and this was all before she even ate her breakfast! there have been times when she has been out of the crate since she did do her duty outside, when she had to go later since i didnt immediatly crate her, she whined, or went by the door, so i know on some levels she is understanding, she is definitly a smart dog. she got mad when jake tried to get her food when i had them out and carried her bowl around with her, which i got a kick out of. but this is going to be good when she has to have different food then jake, and cant eat jakes food. i guess i cant leave food out for jake all the time anymore since belle is going to have to be on some kind of special food that i just have to figure out which is gonna work for her. im trying to keep up a schedule with her every few hours, which works for jake too, he doesnt even tell me anymore when he has to go out cuz he is just going out every hour to two hours with me and going with the puppy which is good especially when i take him to the park he doesnt ever go at the park, which is nice to not have to clean up at him in a public place. well she isnt going to figure out how to get out of the crate like she did the bin so this is definitly gonna work for the best!
 
Is there possibility you can please break your paragraphs when you post.

It is very difficult to read your posts,when they are all long and extended sentences.I have gotton so,I just pass by your posts,because of the typing.

Sorry,but I'm sure there may be some others that are seeing & thinking the same.

Great news on the crate,she will be just fine.As far as the loose poo problems,its probably because of her food,and probably beciase she is snitching from the other dog bowl.
 
Is there possibility you can please break your paragraphs when you post.

It is very difficult to read your posts,when they are all long and extended sentences.I have gotton so,I just pass by your posts,because of the typing.

Sorry,but I'm sure there may be some others that are seeing & thinking the same.

Great news on the crate,she will be just fine.As far as the loose poo problems,its probably because of her food,and probably beciase she is snitching from the other dog bowl.

Thanks Michele....I agree. Long posts are fine, but please break up the paragraphs and please do proper grammar/spelling.

We have so many posts these days, I have to speed read through them decide whether or not I have anything to contribute. If all I have to read is a huge block, my eyes shut down.
 
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