To ignore or to distract? That is the question.

Chinchi

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Darla has been doing fantastically since recovering from a broken leg. As she had been crated at home with no outside interaction for 4 months, my vet suggested she attend puppy socialisation class again to get her re-aquatinted with dogs. Well, I am very happy to say she didn't become shy due to her isolation, she's as friendly as she ever was.

We went as usual tonight and as there were a few new young pups we kept her on the leash so they could explore first. Darla was not happy with this arrangement. She howled, whined and even barked (she never barks) at the pups, wanting to join in on the fun. She has done this a fair number of times before, always at the vets surgery when she sees other dogs and people and at obedience class with other dogs. She will whine if we are out on a walk and I stop for any reason. I guess it's her way of communicating that she is frustrated that we have stopped or that she isn't free to run and play with the dogs she sees.

My fiancé and I have tried correcting her when she does it as it is very loud and disturbing for others, especially in vet surgery with sick animals around. We will say no in a harsh voice which stops her getting into mischief at home, but she will just look at you and then go back to whining if we are anywhere but at home. Clearly that isn't working and not the way to go with her.

The nurse commented tonight that Darla was whining and looking back and forth between the pups and me and my fiancé as if she was asking to be off leash. I wonder then if the key to this is to actually ignore her when she is whining, no eye contact, nothing, and only pay attention to her when she goes quiet for a second or two? Perhaps by 'telling her off' we were giving her the attention she wanted?

Either that or should we try and re-direct her behaviour? It would have to be something terribly exciting as she is most driven by attention from other people and animals over food and toys.

Other than that, she came home tonight a very tired and happy pup!
 
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Be more fun than the other dogs and people she wants to play with, give her an alternative, an outlet. Play with her, give her a tug toy to play with YOU and to ignore the other dogs.. If playing is too much at the time, and too distracting for the others then pez dispense very valuable treats while the other dogs are playing, rewarding her for attention to you with all these distractions... You will be amazed how fast her attention can change to you, THEN you can do some exercise and reward sits and quiets, but don't expect minute intervals at first.. just seconds! Then reward... so the association is made by the dog that ohhh if I pay attention to my people treats rain from the sky, much more fun than whatever is happening over there.

Expecting her to be quiet and just sit there is too much for a pup, and you won't get to reward the quiet behaviours because it's too hard at first to get them to even focus on you, never mind relax enough that they can hold a sit/dow/stay position.

also if you go to the vet, treats treats treats!
I never understand why people don't think treats are a good idea at the vets? Like this is the most unpleasant experience for your dog and gets worse each time we go there.. for most... so I always recommend that people counter condition that with making it worth their while to be with you at that scary, scary place, least one can do.

No corrections, that will make her anxiety worse.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I will boil her some chicken then as she loves that and hopefully she will be interested in it.

I have been doing lots of reading today and I'm sure that Darla is leash reactive. She only gets frustrated when she's on the leash and not moving or playing. Has she associated the leash with walks perhaps? That's fine, apart from when we are waiting at the vets lol.

I am also wondering whether I should change to a harness as I'm worried she is hurting herself when she reacts. She pulls against her martingale collar terribly and chokes herself. Surely that is also getting her more worked up too?

She has been so good lately with her walks, playing really well with other dogs and coming to me when I call her to move on. But her behaviour totally changes when she is on her leash, a frustrated, whining ball of pure wilfulness. Obviously I can't let her greet every dog she wants, they may not want to greet her! I just want to help her calm down a little so she doesn't get so worked up when she sees one.
 
Thanks for the reply. I will boil her some chicken then as she loves that and hopefully she will be interested in it.

I have been doing lots of reading today and I'm sure that Darla is leash reactive. She only gets frustrated when she's on the leash and not moving or playing. Has she associated the leash with walks perhaps? That's fine, apart from when we are waiting at the vets lol.

I am also wondering whether I should change to a harness as I'm worried she is hurting herself when she reacts. She pulls against her martingale collar terribly and chokes herself. Surely that is also getting her more worked up too?

She has been so good lately with her walks, playing really well with other dogs and coming to me when I call her to move on. But her behaviour totally changes when she is on her leash, a frustrated, whining ball of pure wilfulness. Obviously I can't let her greet every dog she wants, they may not want to greet her! I just want to help her calm down a little so she doesn't get so worked up when she sees one.

You are right, leash reactivity is very frustrating for the dog and for the handler...
Again if you change the association of you see another dog, you sit pretty we wait THEN you get to say hello.. that you want the end behaviour to be...
If she gets to practice the mad lunging, the frustration continues to build and build and it will get worse! I am a huge fan of the no pull harness that buckles up front such as the freedom harness or the sensation harness.
So that is a good first step, then keep distance to other dogs to the point that she CAN handle it, reward her loads and loads... get closer and closer each time and reward if she doesn't react. If she does, you turn around and increase distance again.
 
Thanks Toffee's Mom!

She does still pull on the leash when we walk even though I have been acting like a tree for months now. She's always super alert too, she doesn't relax. I take it the easy walk harness would be better than a generic harness to address this problem?

She gets a lot of off leash running time everyday, but she is always on the lookout for another playmate. We were playing fetch in the fields today, having great fun and then she ditched me for a handsome Irish setter :eek2: She ran back to me after she had said hello so we are making progress :biggrin2:
 
Thanks Toffee's Mom!

She does still pull on the leash when we walk even though I have been acting like a tree for months now. She's always super alert too, she doesn't relax. I take it the easy walk harness would be better than a generic harness to address this problem?

She gets a lot of off leash running time everyday, but she is always on the lookout for another playmate. We were playing fetch in the fields today, having great fun and then she ditched me for a handsome Irish setter :eek2: She ran back to me after she had said hello so we are making progress :biggrin2:

lol, who can say no to a handsome Irish Setter?? :biggrin2:
and YAYYY for the recall, I hope you're able to party hearty when she DOES come back to you, and I always carry some goodies in my pockets for those rewardable occassions.

This is your opportunity, if you can get her to collect and pay attention to you first THEN you can say good girl reward and then send her off to say hello and that becomes the even bigger reward. I used that principle sucessfully to stop car/bike/bus chasing (another thread for another time, sigh, lol)
In the meantime a front buckle harness will be your friend, so she can start learning to not practice her lunging! I adore the freedom harness, which I just recently purchased. I don't use the buckle on the back, I mostly just use the front one and it keeps his head free and totally lowers his frustration threshold!
It IS not meant to be a tool for being lazy and why don't you just train them not to pull, yadda yadda (I know some others will say that, there is a lot of popular advice out there, lol) but for being able to get the dog to focus on you and to be able to train this is meant to set up the dog for succes! You can celebrate success and have rewardable moments. If done right it is easy to switch between harness and collar no problem, I like the harness!
 
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redirect redirect redirect
Be more fun than the other dogs and people she wants to play with, give her an alternative, an outlet. Play with her, give her a tug toy to play with YOU and to ignore the other dogs.. If playing is too much at the time, and too distracting for the others then pez dispense very valuable treats while the other dogs are playing, rewarding her for attention to you with all these distractions... You will be amazed how fast her attention can change to you, THEN you can do some exercise and reward sits and quiets, but don't expect minute intervals at first.. just seconds! Then reward... so the association is made by the dog that ohhh if I pay attention to my people treats rain from the sky, much more fun than whatever is happening over there.

Expecting her to be quiet and just sit there is too much for a pup, and you won't get to reward the quiet behaviours because it's too hard at first to get them to even focus on you, never mind relax enough that they can hold a sit/dow/stay position.

also if you go to the vet, treats treats treats!
I never understand why people don't think treats are a good idea at the vets? Like this is the most unpleasant experience for your dog and gets worse each time we go there.. for most... so I always recommend that people counter condition that with making it worth their while to be with you at that scary, scary place, least one can do.

No corrections, that will make her anxiety worse.

Totally agree! Also FYI my vet's office has dog cookies in a jar on the counter, and catnip. My cats and pup still really don't like the vet, but they all enjoy attempting to self-serve from the treat jars when their appointments are over! :lol:

Re-directing is tough, mostly for the human, because of the massive amounts of patience it requires. But the payoff is worth it for you and your pup.
 
Weirdly enough, Darla actually loves going to the vets. She was in and out so much due to her broken leg that everyone knows her and makes and huge fuss of her when she comes. She's always trying to pull me through the door when we enter! She also has puppy socialisation there so associates it with play and cuddles. She gets frustrated though when we are sitting and no one is fussing over her and when she can't say hi to the other patients.

I have ordered an easy walk harness and my fiance's boss who has a border collie about the same age as Darla has agreed to help me work on her leash reactivity! Am thrilled as I live a long way from all my friends and family (only recently moved) and until now I haven't had the opportunity to enrol the help of another person and their dog. Plus it will be really nice for her to have a regular doggie friend. I cannot wait to begin!

She is very good off leash, probably better than on leash! And we have huge parties when she comes back when I call. She's very good in that respect. She met two golden retrievers last week who took themselves off into the next field, much to their owners annoyance. Darla followed but when I called her she came straight back, I was so proud of her!
 
hehehe the little dear, loving to go to the vet :dead:
glad to hear you have huge parties for recalls and the like
It is very common for dogs to actually be better off leash than on leash!

It's so frustrating for them, lol. I would work on impulse control, sounds like Darla is a darling and very sociable... I would like to have that problem with a Sheltie anytime, lol
Try working on Impulse control games, it's done wonders for many dogs I know... I LOVE LOVE LOVE this video to help teach them to try and contain themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipT5k1gaXhc

here is Toffee at 035, making the decision to leave empty container right beside him re training... oh and a bit of him getting ready to react to the other dog... course it was my error :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipT5k1gaXhc
 
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