Anxiety while competing.

Good luck, let us know how it goes!

Today went much better - I gave him the K-9 Calm about a half hour before I left the house, and I brought my calm dog as well. I let Seren (calm dog) out of the SUV first, and he happily followed her (yesterday he tried to jump back in the vehicle as soon as he jumped out). I crated him, and worked her, with a focus on areas he was spooking in yesterday - she couldn't have cared less about the building. I crated her, and brought Starr out. I saw a big difference immediately - we did a heel pattern which focused on problem areas, and although I saw very minor signs of stress, he was able to work through it. As soon as he started stressing/became distracted, I put him back in the crate and worked Seren again. He loves stacking rings, so I brought that along as a retrieval toy, instead of focusing on his dumbbell. I tried to toss one into a difficult area, and then another into an area where he was more comfortable - I switched back and forth. He had trouble focusing enough to stack the rings (that takes a whole other level of concentration), but he did retrieve them. I also took his balance ball, which he loves, and worked him in a corner where he was shutting down yesterday. At one point there was some unexpected noise, and he couldn't focus, so I crated him again and took Seren out. I took out his dumbbell after. For the retrieve over a jump, I raced him to the jump, essentially treating it like agility - that helped create more drive. He was clearly much more comfortable retrieving today than he was yesterday. He even retrieved one that banged into the back wall, which he didn't do yesterday.

The only problem was sit stays (3 min, out of sight for CDX) - he kept standing, sometimes before I even left the ring. We have a fun run tomorrow, so I think I'm just going to stay in the ring for that, and continue to work him next week.

Curious--does he stress as soon as you go in? Or is it a ring thing? (Like he can practice outside the ring) Can he practice outside the building?

I wonder if you could break it down and work happy awesome things right outside the place where he gets stressed (whether it's the building, the ring, etc...)

He often stresses when he sees a building he doesn't like. For example, most trials are held at the CLE building - he knows what the building is, so he doesn't even like going in the doors. He's better once he's in and he sees that the other dogs aren't stressing. However, once he's in the ring his stress level goes up exponentially - he works much better outside the ring than he does in it. I like the idea of breaking it down and playing outside the building - we'll give that a try next week.
If there was squirrel running around in that building I am sure your dog would not notice paint or smells or weird colors.

Unfortunately he would, and would probably ignore the squirrel. A few things went on in the building that would normally be quite stimulating for him - when he's shut down, that's it - he won't react to anything he normally would, including a squirrel.
 
He often stresses when he sees a building he doesn't like. For example, most trials are held at the CLE building - he knows what the building is, so he doesn't even like going in the doors. He's better once he's in and he sees that the other dogs aren't stressing. However, once he's in the ring his stress level goes up exponentially - he works much better outside the ring than he does in it. I like the idea of breaking it down and playing outside the building - we'll give that a try next week.


Unfortunately he would, and would probably ignore the squirrel. A few things went on in the building that would normally be quite stimulating for him - when he's shut down, that's it - he won't react to anything he normally would, including a squirrel.

I would be really afraid to tie up obedience exercises to this level of anxiety. We just had similar thread on agility ... if the owner does not take time to resolve behavioral problems as foundation it is really easy to forever connect crappy performance of demotivated dog in agility. I think it is even worse for obedience as obedience is far less motivating for dogs to begin with. If I were in your shoes I would start very slowly by exposing dog to various places, buildings, environments for short periods of time, going in- having good time, playing few games dog enjoys and leaving in few minutes etc
I would work on my dog having fun first and then add particular venue to it.
 
Anxiety can be a tough one! I took the pups to large buildings as soon as I could. Some risk of disease exposure versus socialization. Risk benefit decisions. When young, I carried them in. I have had these anxiety issues in other dogs and wanted to be proactive with the Shelties.

The dogs I have had that stressed, I had to take them many times to the venues without performing. I have a GSD that has shut down in large venues. She currently leads a boring life outside of obedience practice. I am trying to build a very high value for it in her. She goes to shows but does not show. I take a very hungry dog and really high value treats such as liver and steak to the building. We do fun stuff inside there. It has been over a year since I competed with her. Slow improvement is happening. I think we may eventually get there. She was a HIT girl with her CD but fell apart at a big venue and the idea stuck! That is why you don't want to keep associating the stress with being in the ring.
 
I would be really afraid to tie up obedience exercises to this level of anxiety. We just had similar thread on agility ... if the owner does not take time to resolve behavioral problems as foundation it is really easy to forever connect crappy performance of demotivated dog in agility. I think it is even worse for obedience as obedience is far less motivating for dogs to begin with. If I were in your shoes I would start very slowly by exposing dog to various places, buildings, environments for short periods of time, going in- having good time, playing few games dog enjoys and leaving in few minutes etc
I would work on my dog having fun first and then add particular venue to it.

We already do this, and will continue to do it.
 
Is there anything your dog goes nutso for? Not just like but really really crazy about, even weird things? Something that you could transfer value from to going into scary buildings?
Bringing anxiety/ stress into your home training will help too. What will make your home training sessions ugly and stressful?
It is really similar to working with reactive dog, while you go for impulse control games with reactive dog you will go for any games that increase heart rate/ arousal in the "scaredy" dog. Probably will take longer as I would think it is easier to tone down reactive dog than bring up fearful one.
 
I took the pups to large buildings as soon as I could. Some risk of disease exposure versus socialization. Risk benefit decisions. When young, I carried them in. I have had these anxiety issues in other dogs and wanted to be proactive with the Shelties.

I agree - I did the exact same thing, for the same reason. He's been exposed to a crazy amount of stuff, and always positively reinforced.

The dogs I have had that stressed, I had to take them many times to the venues without performing. I have a GSD that has shut down in large venues. She currently leads a boring life outside of obedience practice. I am trying to build a very high value for it in her. She goes to shows but does not show. I take a very hungry dog and really high value treats such as liver and steak to the building. We do fun stuff inside there.

He's showing significant improvement at the building we're working in currently, and I will be trying to do what you suggest above with the CLE building (different building, same town). The problem is that dogs aren't normally allowed in it - just for shows or if classes happen to be going on. I teach on Tuesday nights, and that's the only night they allow dogs in. I'm trying to switch my schedule - I think it's a matter of time, patience, and positive reinforcement.

Is there anything your dog goes nutso for? Not just like but really really crazy about, even weird things? Something that you could transfer value from to going into scary buildings?
Bringing anxiety/ stress into your home training will help too. What will make your home training sessions ugly and stressful?
It is really similar to working with reactive dog, while you go for impulse control games with reactive dog you will go for any games that increase heart rate/ arousal in the "scaredy" dog. Probably will take longer as I would think it is easier to tone down reactive dog than bring up fearful one.

He's a food hound (likes toys, LOVES food), so I've been breaking out the beef heart, steak bites, cheese strings - all of his absolute favourites. He likes the stacking rings and balance ball I mentioned above, so we used those today. We have done some stress training at home, including mechanical toys which move and make noise, people knocking on the door and ringing the bell, knocking on walls, stamping, having other dogs walk past/around him. I agree - I do find it easier to bring down a reactive dog, as opposed to bringing up a fearful one.
 
Ember used to stress alot as a young dog. It was really just a matter of exposure for her. I would drag her around with Justce while he was showing. It got better with time.

Ember liked her crate alot and would totally decompress in there. She could not be taken out too early, warm up to much. The more fussing I did the worse it was for her. The more trying to get her up, the worse it got. I would get her out bounce her a couple times, give her some treats, do a quick heeling warm up and time it so I could heel up into the ring, slip the lead(I would loop the lead though her collar doubled over so I didn't have to unsnap it just pull it though ) off and go. Ember hate me touching(ie petting her or leaning into her space) in the ring, hated it. I had to make her come to me and I taught her to jump up on touch my palm. Very quiet calm vocie. That with her reward and she knew that meant your doing great, keeping going reward is coming. Quick movement, quick setup and I had to be calm and act like I didn't care. I always went into the ring with Ember hoping to pass one thing and always being susprised when we passed everything. If I had ring nerves it was over before it started. Don't pressure her was the word of the day.

BTW she did do not act that at home or in familar enviornment such as the training school(even trials there). She was lightning quick at everything and oh so happy. In really small shows or quiet venues with space, she did great OTCH material dog. At big shows or tight quarters, she struggled. The dog who could be high 190s to the dog in the low 180s.

I retired Ember after her UDX because I knew she wouldn't hold up to the stress(mine and hers) of campaigning for an OTCH.
 
He's a food hound (likes toys, LOVES food), so I've been breaking out the beef heart, steak bites, cheese strings - all of his absolute favourites. He likes the stacking rings and balance ball I mentioned above, so we used those today. We have done some stress training at home, including mechanical toys which move and make noise, people knocking on the door and ringing the bell, knocking on walls, stamping, having other dogs walk past/around him. I agree - I do find it easier to bring down a reactive dog, as opposed to bringing up a fearful one.

you might want to try olfactory involvement too like bringing/ borrowing mats, blankets, rags from other facilities and practicing on them in your house, possibly leaving your things at some training facilities to soak up smells, or even buying bags of clothing from Salvation Army, dressing up as scarecrow and practicing your obedience at home:winkgrin:
Something else I want to throw in- lots of this stressy behavior comes from you, big part of how our dogs react to the world is a learned behavior. I.e. just like that mother whose child just fell and is crying and we go all weepy at the child distress it is all connected. How much you get stressy at seeing your dog's stress or send your message "no big deal, get over it, lets go play we have far more important play to do than stress over this !@#".... worth looking into IMHO
Additional help on top of food rewards is motivational triggers, something you develop at home similar to child "safety blanket". Just as you build " ready ready" marker, there could be a lot of other things/ sounds/ faces/ motions build that mean "fun is coming" that trigger the excitement similar when you reach into cookie jar and your dog goes all nuts from the sound of you touching the jar...
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2012/03/building-effective-triggers-into-your-dog-training/
 
you might want to try olfactory involvement too like bringing/ borrowing mats, blankets, rags from other facilities and practicing on them in your house, possibly leaving your things at some training facilities to soak up smells, or even buying bags of clothing from Salvation Army, dressing up as scarecrow and practicing your obedience at home:winkgrin:

Additional help on top of food rewards is motivational triggers, something you develop at home similar to child "safety blanket". Just as you build " ready ready" marker, there could be a lot of other things/ sounds/ faces/ motions build that mean "fun is coming" that trigger the excitement similar when you reach into cookie jar and your dog goes all nuts from the sound of you touching the jar...
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2012/03/building-effective-triggers-into-your-dog-training/

I think that these are all really good ideas.

I don't know your dog, but I have a friend who has a dog that does agility. In training he's great, but when he gets to a venue he usually does about 2-6 obstacles and then just stops. He just stands and looks at her. It's all stress. I asked her if he will do the practice jump with her, and she says he won't because he is too stressed. I wouldn't expect a dog to play with me in the ring if he won't play with me outside the ring (less stressful). My recommendation to her (if she insists on continuing to trial) is to get in the ring and do 1-2 obstacles and get out while he is still "up". If she forces him to do more, and he stresses, he'll maintain that association.

I say all of that to say that I think the best you can do is to stay under his threshold for a bit. Do all of the things that he likes and doesn't stress about. Stay outside the building. Play play play feed feed feed until he LOVES standing outside the building. Then, stand in the doorway and do the same. If he looks stressy, back up a step, etc...
 
I think that these are all really good ideas.

I don't know your dog, but I have a friend who has a dog that does agility. In training he's great, but when he gets to a venue he usually does about 2-6 obstacles and then just stops.


My recommendation to her (if she insists on continuing to trial) is to get in the ring and do 1-2 obstacles and get out while he is still "up". If she forces him to do more, and he stresses, he'll maintain that association.

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I have a friend who does this with one of her dogs- does a couple obstacles and has party - leaves ring. then maybe the next run, the dog is more excited and they do more of the course- depends on how the dog is doing/acting. and eventually, a whole course is completed and even some Qs have been earned:wink2:

so patience will pay off:yes:
 
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