At my wit's end- Lunging and barking at everything.

taehyung

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I have a nearly 4 year old Sheltie named Kai, I got him when he was a puppy. He's my first dog and I researched for ages before buying him, read every dog training book I could get my hands on, went to a reputable breeder, I thought I was ready. Now I'm at the point where I regret getting a dog, or more specifically, getting a Sheltie (not that I can do anything about it at this point, we're way too attached to each other, I wouldn't dream of giving him away. I'm just frustrated).

He's always had a tendency for barking and lunging at cars, motorcycles, bikes, skateboards, etc. when going on walks. In his puppy kingergarten class the trainer said he seems like he'll be great on walks with a little work. I feel like over the years I've tried every method under the sun. Bringing treats to distract him, getting him to sit, getting his attention on me, etc. etc. Sometimes the food works, other times he deems the car more interesting and lunges with absolutely no regard to any commands I give him.

What's interesting is that last year my uncle lived with me for several months, and he's never owned a dog in his life, but he'd take Kai on walks with him and I noticed such a huge change in his behavoir. My uncle wasn't doing anything special, just giving him a stern 'no' when he'd act out, but after a few weeks Kai didn't pay attention to a single car. He wouldn't even glance at huge noisy trucks rushing by. Imagine my surprise, I honestly didn't think it was possible :lol: I was a little bummed out that my dog listened to someone else so easily when I was struggling for ages with him, but I was relieved that the behavoir seemed fixed.

Pffft. As if. My uncle left a few months ago and I swear Kai's behavoir has gotten even worse than it was in the beginning. Before he would usually reserve the intense lunging for particularily loud/fast/big vehicles but now he has a reaction to every single one. Sometimes he'll even lunge/pull towards random people on the sidewalk out of nowhere. Leaving the house with him is embarrasing, it's honestly giving me anxiety at this point. I want to go on long walks and exercise my dog and take him places with me but it feels next to impossible because he behaves as if it's his first time being outside every time. I'm kind of jealous of my friends, who have dogs that have never been to a training class in their life but just naturally act normal.

Sorry for the long rant, I'm just very frustrated at this point. I'm not mad at my dog, and I love him very much- more than anything I'm upset with myself because I can't get him under control. If I had the money I would hire a private trainer. I probably should have gone with a different breed, one that doesn't have a tendency to be so reactive, but too late for that now.
 
Sorry you are having a tough time with Kai's reactive behavior. Earlier this week another poster asked for suggestions to help with the same issues...check out that thread and the responses.
http://www.sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=24542

The fact that Kai did much better with your Uncle may be because your Uncle is not so emotionally attached to him and therefore not so stressed out by his behavior...dogs read us incredibly well and Kai is probably picking up on your upset and your feelings that you have no control over his behavior... which only makes him feel insecure and his behavior much worse. Most reactive behavior is based on some level of fear of the item that the dog is reacting to. If the human involved stays calm and doesn't "buy into" that upset, he/she sends the signal to the dog that everything is under control and they are safe. That doesn't mean this will turn around quickly...set habits take a long time and a lot of work to change...but it is possible with calm, consistent training without any distractions initially and then very slowly adding distractions as your dog progresses.

Kai is very lucky to have a loving owner who wants to help him cope with this issue.

Trini
 
I have a feeling that you loved him so much that you never taught him that there's another side to you; an unpleasant side that he'd do virtually anything to avoid. That kind of training should ideally take place from the outset, but I think you can still do it if you're committed.
 
I understand your concern with the car re-activity. My sheltie Honey has the same issue, which developed out of the blue after she was injured and banned from walks for a few months. It can be very frightening when they suddenly lunge when you weren't expecting it.

We've managed to get it a little under control, by moving where we walked for a while, taking a break from streets and sticking to parks. Then we moved to parks that have paths a good distance from the road and combined that with chicken. It's not a hundred percent and if she sees to many cars she'll start reacting to them all.

When I know she's reached her limit, I just reach down and pick her up, and being up high helps to keep her from getting stressed by them.

I hope you find a solution that will work for the two of you.
 
You mention doing puppy kindy and said getting a private trainer would be too expensive, but have you tried group obedience classes?

I think you would benefit a lot from group classes, more than a private trainer. Puppy kindergarten isn't the same as obedience classes - they are more for puppy socialisation and introducing owners to dogs. In obedience classes you learn about how to communicate with your dog and how to time rewards, and timing is everything with re-shaping behaviours. Why I think group classes would be much better is you learn to get your dog to focus on you in a really distracting environment (that's much safer than the road). They are much cheaper than a private trainer and worth the investment.

In the meantime, have a look at the link provided by Trini. You may also want to invest in a no-pull harness - like an easy walk harness. I would suggest trying a head collar like a Halti (one that clips onto the collar so they don't slip off), which at my dog club I often advise for members with reactive dogs, but I like to check first that the owner isn't going to pull on it, or the lunging isn't too serious, so the dog's neck won't be injured.
 
Do you use a flexi leash when you take him for walks? I ask this because my dog Piper has wayyyy too much energy to listen to me at the beginning of a walk so I give him lots of leash to run at the beginning of a walk (we walk where there's more open areas) and after a bit I pull him in and get him to heel. Then he walks beside me for a while , then I give him leash again. We do this repeatedly over the course of a 3 mile walk. of course more obedience training would also benefit you and the dog. Our trainer is great, every class we can bring up issues we are having with our dogs and she helps us figure out how to correct it, you can't replace that one on one teaching you get from an obedience class. Good luck!:smile2:
 
Sorry you are having a tough time with Kai's reactive behavior. Earlier this week another poster asked for suggestions to help with the same issues...check out that thread and the responses.
http://www.sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=24542

The fact that Kai did much better with your Uncle may be because your Uncle is not so emotionally attached to him and therefore not so stressed out by his behavior...dogs read us incredibly well and Kai is probably picking up on your upset and your feelings that you have no control over his behavior... which only makes him feel insecure and his behavior much worse. Most reactive behavior is based on some level of fear of the item that the dog is reacting to. If the human involved stays calm and doesn't "buy into" that upset, he/she sends the signal to the dog that everything is under control and they are safe. That doesn't mean this will turn around quickly...set habits take a long time and a lot of work to change...but it is possible with calm, consistent training without any distractions initially and then very slowly adding distractions as your dog progresses.

Kai is very lucky to have a loving owner who wants to help him cope with this issue.

Trini


This. Inthink she is onto something. Ninhave never had andog that reactive (all shelties) and i really feel for you. I can assure you in group classes they do still address individual behavioral issues. Sometimes spca offers them. Petco / petmart. Type ones will be near worthless though.

My last sheltie would look afool during obedience tests, a goofy fool, and it was because of my nerves and his silliness escalated and it cycled. We made it through though but he was much better out of class testing days! It is why i never pursued competitive obedience with him. My mom has a dog currently that is car reactive. Not as bad as yours and it has been a slow process. Treats , a head halter and calm help alot and avoiding busier roads. Perhaps incremental training. My current puppy was terrified of nails and restraint. Yet he was typically a very soft temperament and good with grooming. It did scare me when he would growl and snap in air. Once I recognized it as fear not aggression and came up with a plan (and prayed over dog) it never happened again and we slowly worked up to me being able to handle feet, "restrain" gently, and trim 2-3 nails a day. I Did have help of husband cuz it is alot to handle treats, clicker, attend to dog and body language, not hurt dog, and stay calm myself. A second person would keep me calmer and give a second perspective on the behavior and nonverbal communication. This gets me thinking.. Is he clicker trained? That may help too. very easy to teach if not. Staying close to home may help your nerves too, nothing worse than feeling stuck and ebarrassed and far from home. Or if embarrassed perhaps drive to another area that is quiet and dont go too far from your car. Then gradually build up your walking?
 
I know exactly how you feel Taehyung, my Benjamin is very similar to yours, he doesn't listen to me at all. He doesn't like going out, he still hides away when I get the leash out, however once we open the door, he's the first one to walk out.

When he's out, he's always very alert, he looks back every few steps like checking who's behind him or like someone is going to attack him anytime.

He lunges at dogs every time he sees one. It's not pleasant walking with him. He doesn't lunge at human unless the human suddenly walks towards him. I don't enjoy walking with him. So we do walks every other days or every few days, I thought if he's not enjoying it, then I don't want to force him, let his stress level come down first (and mine too :wink2:).

It does take time, but like I have said in other posts, as long as he's improving then I don't care how long it's going to take, I want to help him so he can live happily which means I will live happily too.
 
A Sheltie is a very beautiful little dog, but it is a working dog, and therefore need a portion exercise and need places where it can get spent its joy of running - try to think of the energy it takes to run and care for sheep all day long. :yes:

It is not born social with all the things we exposes it to and not in a big city with all this noise.
Shelties are even sensitive to sound, so it requires a lot of socialization.
I am also the first time Sheltie owner (30 years owned GSD) and there is a world of difference in their minds. :gaah
After a week - I found out I needed a completely different training.

To my great surprise Minnie was skeptical and barked at everything and it was everything.

So I set about giving her familiar with everything, but in small doses.

So in short, several walks, exercise and socialization every single day.

So when she was about 1 year I had a confident happy little dog. :hugs

Here's a nice description as I read occasionally
http://sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=22964
 
Sorry you are having a tough time with Kai's reactive behavior. Earlier this week another poster asked for suggestions to help with the same issues...check out that thread and the responses.
http://www.sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=24542

The fact that Kai did much better with your Uncle may be because your Uncle is not so emotionally attached to him and therefore not so stressed out by his behavior...dogs read us incredibly well and Kai is probably picking up on your upset and your feelings that you have no control over his behavior... which only makes him feel insecure and his behavior much worse. Most reactive behavior is based on some level of fear of the item that the dog is reacting to. If the human involved stays calm and doesn't "buy into" that upset, he/she sends the signal to the dog that everything is under control and they are safe. That doesn't mean this will turn around quickly...set habits take a long time and a lot of work to change...but it is possible with calm, consistent training without any distractions initially and then very slowly adding distractions as your dog progresses.

Kai is very lucky to have a loving owner who wants to help him cope with this issue.

Trini

Ugh! This. This. And more of this.

My dog is the same and it's me. I know it's me because he doesn't do it with others, or if he does and they correct him, oh, he stops. My BF has been living with me for about 6 months now, yeah, Koji doesn't do it with him and hasn't since oh....about month 2, maybe 3. But if I walk him, forget it.

It's true what they say about our tension going through the leash to them. I think others have given you training ideas. Honestly, the training is going to take a LONG time and you have to be consistent. I've pretty much given up and it's been, oh, 6 years. Oh yeah, I've given up, not because he wasn't learning, but because it was hard to be consistent because I'd have to take my dogs out separately (pain the behind).

Good luck. Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a downer, but I completely understand your frustration. I've tried not caring, correcting, doing it all w/o emotion, but I think he knows who is walking him. :gaah
 
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