Bacca's test results....Calling vets!!!! And Food recommendations

Goodness! Lots of info there Tagg! I'm going to have to spend some time looking at it.

I'm heading out of town this weekend for a long deserved weekend with my partner. I think Bacca's liver issues are going to have wait till I get back.

I expect though that we might have some things to share.
 
Barb I just read your vets email to you, I would definitely get the Ultrasound. Is there a reason you are hesitant? Sending prayers to both of you.

I would than contact Dr Dodds when you have the results, she was so kind and helpful when I talked to her about Gypsy.
 
Barb I just read your vets email to you, I would definitely get the Ultrasound. Is there a reason you are hesitant? Sending prayers to both of you.

I would than contact Dr Dodds when you have the results, she was so kind and helpful when I talked to her about Gypsy.

No real reason for being hesitant.....the first vet didn't push it but a new vet took over his file and now she's pushing it. It was not a high agenda before. I'm fine with getting it done.
 
No real reason for being hesitant.....the first vet didn't push it but a new vet took over his file and now she's pushing it. It was not a high agenda before. I'm fine with getting it done.

Let us know how it goes! Fingers crossed for good results!
 
Just wanted to send you some hugs and hope you can find out what is going on. Answers are so much better than too many questions.

As for home cooking, I'll say this much. Miko was diagnosed with kidney disease. I could feed him prescription food home cook. I chose to home cook. I hate cooking with a passion. I rarely, if ever, cook for myself. But every week, I will peel, dice and cook 5-7lbs of potatoes. I will cook and dice up a couple pounds of meat. At least I don't have to do much with the peas. And IMHO, it's worth it when the vet tells me Miko's numbers are stable.

It's been over a year that I've been doing this. Don't get me wrong, there are days I forget and am scrambling to make him some food. There are days I am super tired and don't want to do it. But when I look at Miko and I know this is helping him, I give him a hug and get up and start peeling potatoes (on the upside, I can now peel and dice 7lbs of potatoes within 20-30 mins. lol. on the downside, sometimes I hate seeing potatoes).

So, if it comes down to home cooking, look at Bacca and ask yourself if it's worth it if you can't find anything else. If you have kibble option, I'd go that route. My only option was prescription food or home cooked. The choice wasn't easy, trust me and it's definitely not cheaper.
 
LOL! Thanks Cheryl!

Ultimately, I will do what I have to do. I'm a meat and potatoes kinda person anyway, maybe Bacca and I can eat the same food???:ick

The vet has done abit of an about face on the diet.

Seems like for now same diet, put him on Zentinol, ultra sound and perhaps a biopsy followed by coagulation profile.
 
Someone on a facebook group posted this food this morning, and I thought I might mention it here for you Barb. It's even lower protein than the LID foods I posted. It is made in Canada, and might be something for you to look into getting. 18% protein
http://www.firstmate.com/dog-food/grain-free/pacific-ocean-fish-seniorweight-control/

Oh my! that would probably fit the vet's parameters, but 18% protein and get 8% fat? Bacca would not have enough energy to get up in the morning. I really question this kind of diet.

And here is the latest (yesterday) from my vet. Seems she's backing away from switching diet.

Regarding the diet: there are many internal medicine specialists who do not recommend switching the diet in cases of liver disease until we see signs of hepatic encephalopathy, which we are not seeing in the case of Bacca (per what you have told us). So, I do not think that this is a terrible thing for the time, in any case (as long as it is not high protein). I definitely recommend an abdominal ultrasound +/- liver biopsy. If it is a shunt and this is obvious, then liver biopsy would not be necessary. If it is not a shunt, then biopsy is an integral part of his diagnosis.
I think that the best thing for Chewbacca is a consult with an internist. If this were my dog, I would bring him to AVAH for a referral consult. If you are interested only in the abdominal ultrasound, then we can definitely do that for you here, but if you are interested in pursuing a biopsy (percutaneous - through the skin). then I recommend that you consult Lina Bravo at AVAH. I would be happy to give you a referral. Because his Albumin is low, a coagulation profile is absolutely essential, because the liver produces clotting factors and if the liver is failing, we need to make sure it is still producing adequate clotting factors before we biopsy the liver. At AVAH, Bacca would be in the ideal setting for liver biopsy.
 
Oh my! that would probably fit the vet's parameters, but 18% protein and get 8% fat? Bacca would not have enough energy to get up in the morning. I really question this kind of diet.

And here is the latest (yesterday) from my vet. Seems she's backing away from switching diet.

Regarding the diet: there are many internal medicine specialists who do not recommend switching the diet in cases of liver disease until we see signs of hepatic encephalopathy, which we are not seeing in the case of Bacca (per what you have told us). So, I do not think that this is a terrible thing for the time, in any case (as long as it is not high protein). I definitely recommend an abdominal ultrasound +/- liver biopsy. If it is a shunt and this is obvious, then liver biopsy would not be necessary. If it is not a shunt, then biopsy is an integral part of his diagnosis.
I think that the best thing for Chewbacca is a consult with an internist. If this were my dog, I would bring him to AVAH for a referral consult. If you are interested only in the abdominal ultrasound, then we can definitely do that for you here, but if you are interested in pursuing a biopsy (percutaneous - through the skin). then I recommend that you consult Lina Bravo at AVAH. I would be happy to give you a referral. Because his Albumin is low, a coagulation profile is absolutely essential, because the liver produces clotting factors and if the liver is failing, we need to make sure it is still producing adequate clotting factors before we biopsy the liver. At AVAH, Bacca would be in the ideal setting for liver biopsy.

hmmmm if that seems low for you may I ask what you are feeding now for protien and fat levels??? My seniors food are close to this...and they still have plenty of energy...
Is Bacca on any medication currently that would cause a lower Albumin level? Or has it always been low?
 
hmmmm if that seems low for you may I ask what you are feeding now for protien and fat levels??? My seniors food are close to this...and they still have plenty of energy...
Is Bacca on any medication currently that would cause a lower Albumin level? Or has it always been low?

He's on 24% protein and 10% fat, senior food Now!

Not sure what combination of medicines might cause the lower Albumin. He's on thyro-tabs for his hypothyroidism and Milk Thistle for his liver.

Is it possible that his thryo medecine is working at cross purposes to his liver issues?
 
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