Bitey face becoming actual biting during grooming...

she simple put her arm under his belly to hold his back end up and used a teflon rake and simply brushed him and he did not react really. She said simple do the task with confidence and no fear and don't stop till your done and he will learn to accept and behave during this.

Wow, Am I glad a stumbled across your post! Logan is extremely ticklish and every time I try to groom him he falls to the floor, rolls over on his back, kicks his feet in the air, and tosses his head from side to side all the while making silly noises. It's extremely cute but makes grooming a tad difficult.

I just found a comfortable chair, called him over, put my hand under his belly, and now he looks like a million bucks! No fuss, no muss!

Thanks!

Kimberly
 
This is a situation similar to when the kids come out with their first bad words. Some people say to just ignore them, but that wasn't how my wife did things. The reaction they got the first time they did it was such that they never wanted to do it again, and they didn't ... at least not in the presence of their parents!
 
This is a situation similar to when the kids come out with their first bad words. Some people say to just ignore them, but that wasn't how my wife did things. The reaction they got the first time they did it was such that they never wanted to do it again, and they didn't ... at least not in the presence of their parents!

I agree. I said my first bad word when I was 13 or 14. I got a 3 hour long lecture and it kept getting brought up for a month. To this day I don't curse. Learned my lesson!:wink2:

Although I don't recommend going to that extremity of punishment for your dog,:rolleyes2: she dose need to be shown who's in charge. Internette's groomer's idea is a good one.:yes:
 
She got away with her bad behavior,and nothing was done. I'm sorry, biting is not acceptable,at all...not ever.

My first thought was possibly she was hurting somewhere, but then I read further that she has always been bent out of shape about grooming.

I would have muzzled her,and kept going. She will either learn to like being muzzled, or learn manners.
I think you should be concerned about her behavior,and not just think its ok. Taking her to the groomer,and letting them deal with her inappropriate behavior is just not an answer.

I definitely don't think her behavior is okay, and I am definitely concerned about it. I'll admit to taking the easy way out for the grooming this time. Olive has other issues we're working on and I am (rightly so, I believe) concerned that forcing her to cooperate will pull the rug out from the trust we've been building. I don't put up with biting, and I didn't with Olive, either (she was corrected with my screeching and a leash pop which I very rarely do and she knows I mean business when I do), I just didn't continue to force the situation. With most other dogs I've dealt with I would have gotten out the Ace bandage, made a muzzle, and got on with it. And that is what I will do with her if she gets that attitude again.

FWIW, she was perfectly well-behaved at the groomer today, no muzzle needed. So yeah, I realize that means I am the one who is being the weak one here as far as the grooming is concerned. Still not forcing anything while we work out her other stuff but I think I might try her with the soft muzzle outside grooming sessions to see how she responds.
 
I definitely don't think her behavior is okay, and I am definitely concerned about it. I'll admit to taking the easy way out for the grooming this time. Olive has other issues we're working on and I am (rightly so, I believe) concerned that forcing her to cooperate will pull the rug out from the trust we've been building. I don't put up with biting, and I didn't with Olive, either (she was corrected with my screeching and a leash pop which I very rarely do and she knows I mean business when I do), I just didn't continue to force the situation. With most other dogs I've dealt with I would have gotten out the Ace bandage, made a muzzle, and got on with it. And that is what I will do with her if she gets that attitude again.

FWIW, she was perfectly well-behaved at the groomer today, no muzzle needed. So yeah, I realize that means I am the one who is being the weak one here as far as the grooming is concerned. Still not forcing anything while we work out her other stuff but I think I might try her with the soft muzzle outside grooming sessions to see how she responds.

As you know, Toby has similar issues to Olive, its sounds like grooming is one of them. Toby and Olive are different dogs so what works with one may not work for the other, but here's what I did.

First, I spent a small fortune on grooming brushes, trying to find the best and gentlest brushes, combs, etc. that my 'sensitive' guy wouldn't mind.

I spent hours upon hours (over a looong period of time), patiently trying to desensitize him using those expensive brushes and make grooming a positive experience for him, giving him praise, treats, ect. In return he continued to kicked me, refused to stand, refused to lie down, hold still, etc. Often while standing he'd suddenly become what I affectionately call 'blob dog' when suddenly all of the bones in his body dissolve and he pools on the floor. My favorite is when he suddenly out of the blue screams bloody murder like I've mortally stabbed him even though I'm barely touching him, then he swings his head around like he's going to bite me. Every time he startles me so badly because he catches me so completely off guard that I'd swear he shortened my life by a few years.

I'd finally had enough after taking him to a groomers to find out his bad behavior didn't exist for them at all. I stopped putting up with his crap, used a stern voice or sharp 'NO' when he was being difficult or acting like he was going to bite, then continued to praise and give him treats for his good behavior.

Toby will always be a pain in the rear end to groom, but he's much easier better now that I've stopped treating him like he might break and don't tolerate his shenanigans. At the end of the whole thing he still loves me.

You have to decide what is best for Olive and for your relationship with her, but a little bit of tough love when patience doesn't work might help.

Or if you're to worried about it then you can buy her a muzzle and acclimate her to that.
 
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I'd finally had enough after taking him to a groomers to find out his bad behavior didn't exist for them at all. I stopped putting up with his crap, used a stern voice or sharp 'NO' when he was being difficult or acting like he was going to bite, then continued to praise and give him treats for his good behavior.

Toby will always be a pain in the rear end to groom, but he's much easier better now that I've stopped treating him like he might break and don't tolerate his shenanigans. At the end of the whole thing he still loves me.

That's what I've decided to do. I think I'm still going to take her once in awhile to the groomer, not because of her behavior, but because she really did come back looking fantastic. Even if she is a model citizen with me, I'm not sure I can make her look that amazing. So she's not going to get away with snarkiness at home, and I can keep up her regular maintenance, while the major grooming (when she blows coat) will be done by the pros with skills I can only dream of having.:yes:
 
Violet does that from time to time during grooming. We have a soft nylon muzzle for the occasion. On it goes, and we continues. She doesn't hate the muzzle but she doesn't like it, so just putting it on is a mild correction in and of itself, I know then that she doesn't feel like her antics are okay, and I know for sure that my arms are protected. Win-win! I could certainly understand why you'd want to hand the whole matter off to a professional, though, if it's an entirely grooming-specific behavior. Violet mats very easily, so she gets a full brushing out about every other day and just a groomer now and then for maintenance. For the brushing out times when she's snarky about it, I just have the muzzle ready. :smile2:
 
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