Choosing a breeder - HELP!

Also, be aware that you may need to wait for the right puppy. It took us 9 months to find our puppy, Buffy. The wait is frustrating, but it will be worth it.

Finally, you may want to consider giving the person a heads up instead of giving the puppy as an unexpected gift. People may not react how you expect, and puppies are so much work that it's best to be prepared, physically and mentally. Sometimes people haven't gotten a dog themselves because of very good reasons, either related to logistics (e.g., they want to travel without worrying about a dog) or emotion (e.g., they haven't gotten over the death of another dog).

Like I said, I'm prepared to wait. The oldest dog in my mother's house currently is 9, which is getting old for a Chessie. They are large dogs and usually 13 is about the max. The old Chessie also has diabetes and is completely blind, so I'm thinking she may go sooner. The two youngest dogs are both 6. So I'm not looking to get her something immediately... I'm thinking maybe after the oldest dog is gone. I'm just wanting to wade through breeders and check things out so that I can be prepared, and then get on a waiting list once I find a breeder that meshes well with me. :)

I'm very aware of what a bad idea puppy gifts are for the most part. I got my first BC as a gift from my step-dad on my 17th birthday. I was furious (I wanted a Sheltie... Apparently he thought they were pretty much the same thing, and bought the psychotic puppy from a national sheepdog trial). I just lost that dog at almost 16 years old in April. From a psycho puppy to the dog of my heart. I've seen so many dogs turn up in shelters after a bad "gifting". :( Luckily, I know my mother VERY well, and she's been pining for a blue merle for a very long time. She's the kind of person who doesn't buy herself things though. She can't justify spending money on herself. Whenever we see Shelties in public (which is rarely), she is drawn like a moth to a flame. My mother doesn't travel. She has dairy goats and a bunch of poultry that need to be taken care of daily, and she prefers to spend her time at home, working in her garden or spending time with her animals. Her only real reason for not having the dog of her dreams is that she feels guilty spending money on things she "wants" rather than on things she "needs". She is an absolute FOOL for puppies. :)

I know, I know... The rescue worker in my head sees this post and says, "Or so you THINK! I'm telling you, puppy presents are ALWAYS a bad idea!" I know exactly where you're coming from. :)
 
And does this board ALWAYS moderate posts, or is it just because I'm a newbie? That certainly slows down the rate of communication... :\
 
And does this board ALWAYS moderate posts, or is it just because I'm a newbie? That certainly slows down the rate of communication... :\

It's because you're new - after a certain number of posts your posts will no longer require approval and will be posted immediately. We get quite a bit of spam coming through so have to do this.
 
Don't worry too much about the Sable Merle thing, unless they are advertising it as a "rare color". Real Sheltie breeders just sell sable merles as dogs, not as something special. There is kind of a battle as to whether they are allowed under the standard, and being on either side doesn't indicate anything with respect to whether they are reputable. Same with color headed whites (which aren't allowed under the AKC standard, but some people breed for them and show UKC).

American breeders do hips, CERF, vWD, and some do MDR-1. We don't generally do CEA or anything else.

Stay away from breeders that don't test for vWD, under the auspices of "that doesn't run in my line". Clear by parentage is OK, but if the tests are more than one generation removed, that's an issue. There is one ASSA member breeder that bred two litters of vWD affected puppies. So it still happens, and it's inexcusable.

Watch out for spinning fruitcake dogs. Some breeders haven't made the connection between the spinning behavior and anxiety. So if dogs are spinning for no reason, stay away, that breeder hasn't really figured out temperaments. If the dogs are spinning at dinner time, that's OK :wink2:
 
Welcome from another Sheltie owner in Utah! We have lots of Shelties in extended family. My daughter and I have Callie and Shelby, who are about 18 months old. We bought them from what I'm sure would be considered a "back-yard" breeder in Sandy. It's been our first venture into purebred dogs, and if I'd known what to look for before we got them, I probably would have looked elsewhere. However, as we were just looking for family pets, and have had the girls spayed it probably doesn't matter. They're both smaller than usual Shelties, with mine being about 14 lbs but we love them anyway.

My daughter-in-law has a beautiful Sable, and her sister has a beautiful blue Merle. They appear to my untrained eye to be closer to breed standard, and if you're interested, I can find where they got them from.
 
We were at the show in South Jordan, it was great! Lots of shelties, Angus showed in 6-9 month dogs, got a second placing. There were a lot of breeders there - they always have a Sheltie specialty every year at the Beehive Cluster. (And lots of agility, that we did for the rest of the weekend!)
 
Don't worry too much about the Sable Merle thing, unless they are advertising it as a "rare color". Real Sheltie breeders just sell sable merles as dogs, not as something special. There is kind of a battle as to whether they are allowed under the standard, and being on either side doesn't indicate anything with respect to whether they are reputable. Same with color headed whites (which aren't allowed under the AKC standard, but some people breed for them and show UKC).

American breeders do hips, CERF, vWD, and some do MDR-1. We don't generally do CEA or anything else.

Stay away from breeders that don't test for vWD, under the auspices of "that doesn't run in my line". Clear by parentage is OK, but if the tests are more than one generation removed, that's an issue. There is one ASSA member breeder that bred two litters of vWD affected puppies. So it still happens, and it's inexcusable.

Watch out for spinning fruitcake dogs. Some breeders haven't made the connection between the spinning behavior and anxiety. So if dogs are spinning for no reason, stay away, that breeder hasn't really figured out temperaments. If the dogs are spinning at dinner time, that's OK :wink2:

Thanks for all the info! :) I also think the CHW's are pretty. Why are vWD tests more than one generation removed a problem if all the grandparents are clear? Or is this an issue with people breeding clear to carrier and knowing the puppies will not be affected, but then breeding two of those "non-affected" pups together, who could be carriers even though they're non-affected (like with CEA)? If all dogs rate clear, shouldn't all their puppies be clear, and all their puppies, and so on (if bred back to clear, and not carrier, obviously)? I see that CEA is found in Shelties, but is it pretty rare, and that's why it's not tested for? It seems to me like CEA would be more important to test for than MDR-1, since it affects their eyesight, and is not just something you have to worry about when medicating, etc. Then again, CEA is quite common in BC's, and MDR-1 is not, so maybe I'm underestimating the issues that the MDR-1 gene causes?

Spinning fruitcakes are definitely on my list of No Thank You's! :lol:
 
My daughter-in-law has a beautiful Sable, and her sister has a beautiful blue Merle. They appear to my untrained eye to be closer to breed standard, and if you're interested, I can find where they got them from.

That would be great. :) I plan to check out the ASSA for referrals like everyone is suggesting, but some recommendations from people with first-hand experience with local breeders would be great. :)
 
We were at the show in South Jordan, it was great! Lots of shelties, Angus showed in 6-9 month dogs, got a second placing. There were a lot of breeders there - they always have a Sheltie specialty every year at the Beehive Cluster. (And lots of agility, that we did for the rest of the weekend!)

congrats to Angus:yes:
 
We were at the show in South Jordan, it was great! Lots of shelties, Angus showed in 6-9 month dogs, got a second placing. There were a lot of breeders there - they always have a Sheltie specialty every year at the Beehive Cluster. (And lots of agility, that we did for the rest of the weekend!)

Jealous!! I've only been down there one time, to watch a huge weekend-long agility match about 10 years ago. A lot of nutty dogs in one place, but tons of fun!
 
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