Clicker Training Research

What I personally find now is that if I ask something and I do not have a clicker I feel like I have no confirmation for them. I resisted clicker a little but now it is natural. In the spring when I start her in rally classes I wil be able to run through a whole course with click at each correct and treat at the end (deferred). I have already run her through a few simple courses and also my shepherd and the clicking in that situation is really helpful instead of trying to treat at each task being practices.

Hope my info helps. My dogs and I do like the clicker (surprisingly).

what is.... defferred?
Am I understanding correctly you run around multiple clicking for things and not rewarding and then giving treats in the end of the run?
Clicker training is actually a scientific tool to use...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ-JnjBTkBw
 
Yes, actually. Once they have realized click is good and click means a treat is coming, I don't have to click/treat instantly or one click per treat per task. It is not multiple clicking as in "ohhh I am really happy click, click, click". It is a sequence of actions with yes-yes-yes-yes for each part of a sequence whether it is several parts to one manuever or a whole rally course with several stations calling for various actions through the course.

For instance. To learn rally call forward and return right. At first it was call forward click/treat then come around and sit the click/treat and then heel off click/treat. Then I was able to call forward, come around, sit, and heel away with a click for each correct but only one treat at the end of the sequence. Then it became one smooth motion with one click one treat at the end after it was fully learned.

For instance. In class we learned heel - down on the move - stay - handler walks away to end of leash - handler returns to dog - handler circles to formal return - dog is released and heels off with handle. At first each of the steps got a click/treat. Then, it became a click for each step but a treat at the end of the sequence. Finally after practice it was one smooth motion with one click and one treat.

For instance. In class we downed and stayed the dog. We all walked around with toys squeaking them, tossing them, distracting the dogs. When I saw her do something especially correct such as not move when someone threw a toy past her but I was far from her, I could click to let her know she did right but I was not there for a treat just that moment. She got another click with a treat when I returned to the dog at the end of the exercise.

For instance if I have a rally course and we already know the stations but are running through in practice a whole sequence, I can click for each correct action but treat at the end. She knows click means YES and there is a treat coming soon. It's deferred rather than trying to feed treats constantly through the course. We are building tightness and speed in practicing a course a couple times, not eating a meal. Eventually, courses can be run with one click and treat at the end but it definitely encourages focus on each task of a sequence with a click for correct without having to depend on a treat for each task and readies her because you can't treat in competition.

Click = yes. You can click on multiple steps but treat at the end of a sequence once the dog understands click means yes. Click means treat sooner or later, it retains focus, and it shows them they aren't done but to wait for further directions.
 
Dog training is a science of animal behavior. Clicker training is a method of positive reinforcement dog training. You click, you OWE your dog a treat
http://dogs.about.com/od/dogtraining/a/clicker_tips.htm
A Click Equals a Treat
When you click your clicker to mark a behavior, you must give your dog a treat. You need to teach your dog that the sound of the click is an extremely reliable predictor that he is about to get a treat. If you don't always give a treat after you click, the clicker begins to lose some of its effectiveness. You don't always have to use a clicker when you train your dog, but if you click, you must give a treat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZt5Eu8nfE
for future info Bob Bailey has fantastic set of DVD
http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=dtb893
as well as Kathy Sdao
http://store.clickertraining.com/knowwayknowhow.html
you can also rent those DVD at Tawzerdogs
 
It is a sequence of actions with yes-yes-yes-yes for each part of a sequence whether it is several parts to one manuever or a whole rally course with several stations calling for various actions through the course...

Click = yes. You can click on multiple steps but treat at the end of a sequence once the dog understands click means yes. Click means treat sooner or later, it retains focus, and it shows them they aren't done but to wait for further directions.

I think I'm following this point here, but it leads me to questions. Suppose the sequence is yes-yes-no-yes instead of yes-yes-yes-yes? How does the dog differentiate the 3 things he did correctly from the one that he did wrong if the treat is deferred? Aren't you reinforcing the one mistake as much as you are reinforcing the 3 correct behaviors? Plus, how does this square with what seems to be a central point shared in nearly every clicker training instruction I have read? That being: it is essential to reward immediately after the correct behavior/click?
 
Only point I disagree with is that you said clicker training it isn't for all dogs? Do you have an example where a clicker wouldn't be beneficial in dog training?

I've seen dogs who were sound sensitive or nervous in an environment they reacted negatively (scared) to the clicker. I've seen some dogs who were so toy driven it was a better reward to just play with them (throw a toy or tug) than to click. I've also had dogs in my class that regardless of how much we tried to prime a clicker they just didn't "get it" but did respond to a verbal marker.

More often than not it's the handler who gives up on the clicker because 'I can't get the timing right' or 'it's too much stuff to carry'.
 
To answer: I think I'm following this point here, but it leads me to questions. Suppose the sequence is yes-yes-no-yes instead of yes-yes-yes-yes? How does the dog differentiate the 3 things he did correctly from the one that he did wrong if the treat is deferred? Aren't you reinforcing the one mistake as much as you are reinforcing the 3 correct behaviors? Plus, how does this square with what seems to be a central point shared in nearly every clicker training instruction I have read? That being: it is essential to reward immediately after the correct behavior/click?


Yes-yes-NO = do over go no further. Yes-yes-close but lowsy form = do over go no further Yes-yes-yes-reward.

The click itself helps the dog differentiate correct-correct-no click must be wrong. The click becomes almost as strong as the treat. Well, maybe not quite as motivating, but certainly as information delivering. Click comes to mean YES and no click is NO. Just as treat = yes and no treat = no. Not as tasty, but certainly as much postive/negative feedback.

The very first exercise of owner-only dog class is t shape behavior with click/no click. Have your husband open the front door by hot-n-cold clicking him. Now apply to dogs to shape behavior. Our trainer said start by clicking in the room, click/treat/yes do that a bunch. click=yes=treat. Now do it with sit they already know. Oh yes, I DO something and I get a click=yes=treat. And down, and heel, and come, and stay. All the basics we know verbally and by hand signal from puppy class/basic. This part is the click/treat immediately bit. Do that for some time which REALLY cements the task=click=yes=treat. Now, use it to shape other tasks. I don't just want a sit. I want a call forward - sit - come around - sit - heel off. Just like memorizing text in school, start at the begining with clicks while successful, an "eh" or "nope" or "oops" at the wrong. You are not deferring treats for half an hour and the tasks are usually not that long. It does not take the dog but a few seconds to complete call forwar return right. Each part done successfully gets the click and the completed move gets the treat. Then when accomplished right fully you go back to a treat for the whole maneuver. call forward-return right = click/treat.

However, in the same vein, let's say I am going to run through 10 rally tasks set up with cones. The dog knows every task in isolation but needs to be fluid and quick putting them together (practicing). It's not about treating for every station which you can't do in the competition. You can click as you go through and the dog knows it is right at each station and no treat means there is more to do so keep focused. At the end of the run click/treat/good dog. If the dog mis-performs station 6, you re-try, if that still is missed move on with clicks for the rest. Afterwards, do station 6 over in isolation and then run through again.

There are levels to clicker use just as there are levels to training. The field lab being signaled with a whistle or hand signal to go left/right/forward/etc. You can't run up to treat. The border collie learning the herding while running away from you you can't run up to treat when it followed your signal. You have to be able to signal correctness at a distance without dealing with treating. You reward the lab when he brings back the game, the BC when he gets the flock in the pen. You have to have a yes signal along the way, something they know means right.

Maybe some of the dog trainers here can explain it better. I am only going on how it was explained by our trainer and how it has worked successfully in shaping my dogs and the dogs in my class into doing multiple step tasks.
 
Yes-yes-NO = do over go no further. Yes-yes-close but lowsy form = do over go no further Yes-yes-yes-reward.

Maybe some of the dog trainers here can explain it better. I am only going on how it was explained by our trainer and how it has worked successfully in shaping my dogs and the dogs in my class into doing multiple step tasks.

I think this explanation was just fine. Thanks. What was missing (for me), initially was the "go no further" part. I couldn't get how the dog would be able to pick out his misstep if he either got a click or a no click in the middle of a series of moves/clicks. Now that I realize the there is a stop following the undesired step, it makes perfect sense.
 
Since I don't feel typing out the whole thing, I use the clicker like Toffee's Mom (and Spruce's Mom :lol:). Except we use it for distraction work at flyball. Flyball is a very visually stimulating event for Missy, so we really work on her watching me and not getting overexcited about the dogs running. The more overstimulated she gets, the more likely she is to cross over into the other lane. I use the clicker, but sometimes it's too hard to juggle the dog, her treats, the tennis ball (she brings it right to my hand), and clicker, so I use a verbal marker of "yes!" and I've been really increasing my praise and excitement with her so she's more excited to come back to me.

Everything else we use a clicker for. Our obedience trainer is a Karen Pryor trainer. For a while I had a clicker in my purse, which was funny because I would be talking about the clicker and our trainer and I could just whip it out and be like, "this is a clicker, and this is the trainer we go to". When I switched purses for a flyball tournament the clicker went into the flyball bag, but I still have one in my car so I pretty much always have one on me. I have a lot of clickers... just got another one with an order from Genuine Dog Gear.
 
Dog training is a science of animal behavior. Clicker training is a method of positive reinforcement dog training. You click, you OWE your dog a treat
http://dogs.about.com/od/dogtraining/a/clicker_tips.htm
A Click Equals a Treat
When you click your clicker to mark a behavior, you must give your dog a treat. You need to teach your dog that the sound of the click is an extremely reliable predictor that he is about to get a treat. If you don't always give a treat after you click, the clicker begins to lose some of its effectiveness. You don't always have to use a clicker when you train your dog, but if you click, you must give a treat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZt5Eu8nfE
for future info Bob Bailey has fantastic set of DVD
http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=dtb893
as well as Kathy Sdao
http://store.clickertraining.com/knowwayknowhow.html
you can also rent those DVD at Tawzerdogs

Sorry, I have to agree with SheltieChe. It's click then treat. The reward isn't hearing the click, it's getting the treat. The sound of the click is meaningless unless they're getting a treat immediately after.. not a few tricks or minutes later.
 
Thanks all -- it's hard to describe what you do in words without doing them at the same time.

Clicker is nothing more than the word YES -- mechanically done with no tone or inflection like a voice carries. It is neutral and delivers pure information rather than any kind of emotion. Use it like the word YES.

To click/yes/treat cements the meaning at first. Then you task/click/yes/treat to cement the procedure with something easy. But then you just use click to mean YES. Treats may be with one step or multi-step

If you were training the call forward return right - with verbal yes/treat, what would you do if the dog sits, then goes left or spins a circle or lays down? You would not say the word yes or give a treat. You would say "oh wrong let's try it again". Sit (yes), come around (yes), sit (yes) TREAT. You wouldn't give a treat at sit, come around, sit but you likely would say a verbal yes just to tell the dog each step is right. Click= YES mechanically. Click does not actually mean treat. It means YES in any way you would use it with your mouth.

At some point, you must move away from treats partially. A dog is not doing things for the treat. A dog is doing things for the YES, because you ask, for the love of the game, etc. You don't want the dogs just doing things because you are a food dispenser. Sometimes you can't be near enough, sometimes the task is complex, sometimes it is against the rules like in competition.
 
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