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different strokes

Savannah was like that...what worked for my others, didn't work for her, and still she is pick and choose at times (you can see her deciding-should I really do that?-what's in it for me). But I found out that she really really goes ape over praise, she really is the diva inside, and wants us to know. Applause and oodles of attention is what she craves. I mean you gotta ham it up and then she responds. Training class might be a tad overwhelming for her, maybe in time she will be better. They are extremely sensitive and they read our clues, cues, and emotion, it just takes time to decipher what will work best with your girl. Keep at it, I bet it will improve!!!
 
Like already said above, you have to find something Cleo really, REALLY loves and have her work for that. Some dogs really do just want mom's praise.. if that is it, then go with it!

Btw, I don't feed at all before class.. mind you, Cruz will eat until he explodes but then he is starving in class and is really focused and "on."
 
Brittany, just a suggestion, but my Angel Bambi wouldn't always take from me either until I figured out that there were scents on my hands that she didn't like, my perfume, deodorant, soap, lotions, anything like that, apparently the scent transferred to, and didn't taste so good on the treats! Hope this helps. :fl
 
Brittany, just a suggestion, but my Angel Bambi wouldn't always take from me either until I figured out that there were scents on my hands that she didn't like, my perfume, deodorant, soap, lotions, anything like that, apparently the scent transferred to, and didn't taste so good on the treats! Hope this helps. :fl

I know that can't be it. When I put lotion on my legs I usually have to stay away until it dries or she is after me to lick them. It is the same with my armpits and deodorant. She tries to lick them anytime she gets close enough to reach them.:lol: But thanks for the suggestion! I would have never thought about that if Cleo was not doing these things already. Too bad I can't use these as motivation! HAHA!
 
My Celtic is not very food motived, it drives me crazy. He likes some food and some like Peanut Butter, he absolutely hates. But I need to tell you a story.

Last week I took Celtic to a new conformation class. I brought his favorite treat, one he normal works his heart out for. I was nervous, new place and I am not comfortable with conformation training. Celtic was not himself , he wanted to sniff girls, did not pay attetion to me and would not even look at me. He would not even sniff the treats, plain did not care. As a result, I got more and more tense and mad and pleading and tried to control him more and more and he completely melted down. It was not pretty.

Now Celtic has trained all his life in obedience and agility and he has even showed in conformation. He can be a bit difficult but I had never seen him act this way before. No treat in the world would make him pay attention or any amount of pleading, begging, coaxing or manipulation. I was on the verge of tears. I really need him to learn this and he is not helping!

At about 20 minutes in , the instructor asked if she could take him. Same treats, same leash. She stepped back 3 ft turned, talked to him, turned, gave him a treat and he was bouncing, eating, and so happy. She turned came back to me and said quote "he says I am fun , YOU are not fun" She said my body language is telling him, I am tense, upset and unhappy. He doesn't know why but it has something to do with the situation. The way he is acting is his way of dealing with the stress he is feeling. It will never change until I change my mind set. Relax and let him learn and not try to force him to be perfect right from the beginning.

Let me tell you, what she said was like a bucket of cold water being dumped on my head. I stepped back took a short break, let out a few breathes and let it go. When or turn came up again, Celtic was much better. We were not showing well but atleast he was trying, paying attention and eating. We went to agility class 30 minutes at a different school and it was like a switch was flipped. Same treats and he was gobbling them down, totally intune and happy. It just reaffirmed it was my issue not his, I was happy, confident and relaxed so was he.

We went back to the same conformation class yesterday. I went in with the attitude that I was going to have fun with my dog, listen to my instructor and be happy with any effort he gave me and make a mental note of what we needed to work on for next week. Wouldn't you know, Celtic was a rockstar. He did everything I asked, the best I have never seen him. I need to work on a lot of things with myself but wow!

I guess the point is what we see when training our dogs is feedback. She is not motivated, it maybe the food, it may not be. That fact she worked for your instructor in the same time span makes me think she is feeling some of your stress. Your frustration. It is just a suggestion. Sit back and think about how you feel when you are in class. Are you on edge, frustrated , happy sad, what? When she does what you want how do you feel? Wow you are the best or finally you did something right. Shelties are very sensitive to our state of mind , more than we often realized.

I forget how old Cleo is but remember dog training is a journey. It never ends and we are always teaching and improving on what they know even when a 6 week class is done. It will come, relax and enjoy your dog.:smile2: I really needed that reminder this week myself.
 
Thank you Dr. Shelli. I think it is both food and stress. I was very frustrated at the end of training and at that point she refused to even do a simple sit command that she knows and will do without food. I am new to all this, and I don't want to make mistakes and train her wrong.

On a good note, I found out today (we will see how long this lasts) Cleo really likes string cheese. It may be her new puppy crack. She was jumping trying to get to it. I also made that fishy fudge. She likes it more than her training treats but not as much as the cheese.

Training at home tonight went really well using the cheese. I would lure her into the heel position and she would then sit straight 80% of the time. When my four year old was walking around I started the watch command and she did it 70% of the time. Better than I would have thought. Loose leash walking was okay until another dog came by. Didn't bark any cars though!

Hopefully I won't be as stressed with training on Thursday and it will go as well as it did at home tonight . I just need to make sure it is fun for her and find a way to not stress so much about getting everything right. If I mess up, I'm sure I can just ask if I'm doing it wrong and the instructor will show me.
 
So tonight is round two of class for Cleo and I. I am really prepared this time. I will have her normal treats as well as string cheese, cut up hotdogs, and the fish fudge. Hopefully I have enough to keep her interested as class last time was almost 2 hours long!:eek2: I am going to keep praising her as much as possible and try as much as possible to keep my stress level down. I have been working with her everyday on what the instructor has given us. We are also getting our 6 foot leather lead tonight. Not sure if that will make any difference. So hopefully tonight goes better than last Thursday! :fl
 
Hopefully I have enough to keep her interested as class last time was almost 2 hours long!:eek2:

Wow! That's a super long class. Knowing that, I would say it's very typical for young dogs to not have that long of an attention span. When Enzo was a puppy we had to leave class a few times and take mental breaks. I could tell he was getting tired or frustrated or just bored with the whole thing at times--and that was with an hour long class!

Don't be afraid to step out and miss a few minutes if Cleo needs a break. A puppy that can work for 2 hours is probably fairly rare.
 
Wow! That's a super long class. Knowing that, I would say it's very typical for young dogs to not have that long of an attention span. When Enzo was a puppy we had to leave class a few times and take mental breaks. I could tell he was getting tired or frustrated or just bored with the whole thing at times--and that was with an hour long class!

Don't be afraid to step out and miss a few minutes if Cleo needs a break. A puppy that can work for 2 hours is probably fairly rare.

There are 9 dogs including Cleo in this class. When we were doing fun recall, each person took a turn in a hall that was blocked off at one end with a gate. It took much longer than expected. We took that time to go walk out in front of the building. But even then I just seemed so long. I think each Class is supposed to take roughly a little over an hour. We will be working on Down, Random Sit, Sit-Stay (end of leash) Sit-Stay (Group) Attention, Heeling (1-3 step halts with Attention), Heeling, and Right About Turns. Seems like a lot to remember!
 
Spirit is a year old now, and I just started asking her to work for an entire hour without a break. There is no way she could focus for 2 hours at a time. Too much for that little puppy brain.
 
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