Handling systems????

Thanks for the explanation of what jumping the back side is and the diagram was really helpful to see how it would look.

I don't think we've done anything like this in training or at shows - hopefully it is something I won't have to worry about encountering for a while :fl as still trying to come to grips with simpler manouvers! I think though I have seen it on more advanced level courses such as at Crufts without realising what it actually was.

On rear crossing the weaves, thought you might like to see a couple of videos from yesterday's training session - we tried doing it in a sequence for the first time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp392mZ1HUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q4faDpe2b8

I see the usefulness of independent weaves now - it's great leaning the reason for all the foundation work :yes:
 
Oh, so awesome, he's so fast and he sure loves this stuff!!
Those ar good rear crosses, you're reading him very well!

I always joke hey it gets easier with dog two and three ;) acording to my Coach who has ten dogs, lol

Pretty much everyone I train with now is at least on their second dog, and for some reason it does get a little easier and makes much more sense now what the foundations were all about LOLLL

Here is us trying a different handling version of threadles, which we have never done before, since it wasn't the Derret system which we started out with...
For some reason that move was so hard for me, I finally asked my friend to help me simplify it for me, lol
So we set T up just jump tunnel, and then call him off his line with a threadle into the other tunnel entrance, hopefully down the road we will have translate into some advanced gambler's Q's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ukkfhrUUA

Training is SO much fun... and I know I shared this one before, but this kind of training would NEVER have happened had we stuck to one handling system, just half a year ago or so I wouldn't have dreamed of ever doing a blind cross or trying to teach wraps and directionals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMXxpS_tMU4
 
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Threadles vs serpentines

Toffee's Mom said:
Oh, so awesome, he's so fast and he sure loves this stuff!!
Those ar good rear crosses, you're reading him very well!

I always joke hey it gets easier with dog two and three ;) acording to my Coach who has ten dogs, lol

Pretty much everyone I train with now is at least on their second dog, and for some reason it does get a little easier and makes much more sense now what the foundations were all about LOLLL

Here is us trying a different handling version of threadles, which we have never done before, since it wasn't the Derret system which we started out with...
For some reason that move was so hard for me, I finally asked my friend to help me simplify it for me, lol
So we set T up just jump tunnel, and then call him off his line with a threadle into the other tunnel entrance, hopefully down the road we will have translate into some advanced gambler's Q's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ukkfhrUUA

Training is SO much fun... and I know I shared this one before, but this kind of training would NEVER have happened had we stuck to one handling system, just half a year ago or so I wouldn't have dreamed of ever doing a blind cross or trying to teach wraps and directionals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMXxpS_tMU4
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I found your videos fascinating Toffee's Mom - since threadles and serpentines are the next thing that I'm puzzling over. :smile2: Which handling technique you are using in the first video - is it Derrett's? And I'm curious to know how you did it before?
There seems to be quite a lot of variation in how people do threadles and serpentines - I have been working on the assumption it is basically the same thing but calling the dog either between or over the jump depending on the handler's position relative to the jump. But I noticed some handlers don't seem to have a physical cue for serpentines so just presmably rely on verbal cue and train for dog to complete the sequence? I found the recent thread on serpentines very interesting too.

I loved watching your second video clip too - very calmly handled and I thought it looked really slick. I've done a little bit of this (wraps not the blind croses) with Epic and afraid got into rather a muddle after more than two wraps but you and Toffee looked really great and confident.:smile2:
Directionals is on my winter 'to do' list. I wasn't originally going to teach left and right as somehow had the impression it wasn't a good idea but now seems to be a definite gap in our skills.

Epic is really obstacle focussed and a bit too prone on finding his own route so I'm cautious about blind crosses - what made you change your mind?
 
If you use Derret you would use the arm furthest from the dog to call him in, but then you would have to switch arms to use the arm closest to the dog to send him to the other obstacle (in my example the tunnel)
The twist is that I am learning to use the same arm, even if it is furthest away from the dog. I get better at learning where my dogs commitment point is, and move on faster, so that I can position myself to give cues to the next obstacle as he is completing that one...
Thanks, we are green and we just starting out, so the height is fairly low, as it was about getting the moves down for me and him, lol.


Actually the blind cross I started to think about when there was a thread in here and a lot of good points were made, then watching European videos of dogs and handlers who made a lot of sense. I really respect Silvia Trkman and also enjoy watching the one mind handling... My Coach is has also been taking a lot of new classes and has moved on from Derret, she is helping us learn, is as she evolving, I love that she isn't sticking to what she has known and do well since she started competing 12 years ago, it's all about learning!
This has created a whole new energy and focus in all of us.
It's not about babysitting or micromanaging dogs anymore :D But SHOW and GO, lol
 
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Thank you both - SheltieChe - the article was very interesting and I had good browse around the rest of the site (and added it to 'favourites' :wink2:) Lots of great info there and I had another watch of the comparison handling videos which I think you put up on another thread about a month ago and which I can appreciate much better now I've learned more.

Toffee's Mom - thank you for your explanations and I think it is great that you
have been able to try out new things because your teacher and yourself are open to new ideas. This aspect of agility (evolving ideas/new techniques) has been a revalation for me. I have probably learned more about training dogs over the last 10/11 months than over the last 10/11 years. :yes: Not just the agility training which is fascinating enough but the huge amount of different variations of basically achieving the end result and like you I've noticed the difference in my two current performance dogs from trying out new ideas.

We did a fun 'clear round' jumping course in barn yesterday. It was a very combined space and presented new challenges as was noisy, dark, different surface etc. Epic lacked a little of his normal confidence and I think the show and go (love the discription :biggrin2:) style would really have been motivational. Much food for thought...
On the plus side he did his weaves perfectly because at last I remembered to hold back and find the entry! He also coped brilliantly with being in close quarters with lots of other excited dogs - even four months ago I would never have been able to take him somewhere like that - Control Unleased, what a miracle! :smile2:
 
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