Heeling problems

Oops! I didn't mean for this to be a choke chain/prong put-down! I have no doubt that everyone here knows how to use these tools responsibly and appropriately! But that's not what I see in the ring here - the people who dominate the ring do the whole 'heel, then turn quickly, run and yank' thing; they break the dog. I just want to do it in a way that's at the other end of the spectrum and prove to myself and others that it can be done! :yes:

In any case, Juliet is a soft dog. If I so much as look like I'm going to wrap my hand around her muzzle, her ears fly back, her eyes grow large and she looks abit like that cat from Shrek! :lol:

Ok so here's what I'm getting:

1. Use food that is easy to dispense at the side and which is highly motivating. Dispense often initially. - About this, I was thinking of how I try to "trick" Juliet into thinking I have treats in my hand, but I actually don't. Obviously she realizes after awhile that there ain't no treat forthcoming, and starts to let her mind wander.

So then I tried to show her where I keep the treats, go do some exercises then run back. Problem is, she's reeeeally into food and when I did that for agility (left the treat outside the ring), she tried to run TO the food, so I think if we get to Novice obedience and she's offleash, this method will also backfire there! How do you keep the dog motivated and let her know the reward is coming but just do what mummy tells you and you'll get it at the end?

2. Train one step at a time - I can do this. Kind of like teaching a 'stay' by increasing the difficulty slowly.

3. Hold leash in the same way with treats and without - I hook the loop over my thumb on the right hand and keep my left hand leash free for treats usually and hold my left hand at my hip. This should work right?

4. Train heeling in short bursts - do I increase the bursts to longer ones slowly? Or is the short bursts meant to keep the heeling fun?

5. Get the dog used to the ring - do I keep entering trials? How does one prepare for this? How do I help train ring-readyness when I'm at the trial? What can I do to make my next time at the trial useful to getting her ring ready?

6. Wait for the dog to mature a little - Juliet is quite young and is still very much the puppy she was last year! She has a fairly short attention span.

7. Don't see heeling as being boring - I used to but I've been trying to change that!

The judge said the surrounding must be too overwhelming for her. And yet, the little minx can do her sit/down stay at the far end of the ring closest to all the distractions?? I'm perplexed to say the least!
 
Me neither. Now all my babies are soft -- and I'm so glad! We do everything as we always did -- with shaping and patience!

I hold the leash always in my left hand. When I use treats, it's always right hand over. For some reason, Beckon loves the ring -- he really shows off. But it took until he was nearly two for him to be grown up enough to start "getting" how to heel when we move quickly. Everything went better when I thought -- and acted -- fun fun fun!
 
Don't enter shows for now. Just go to shows and practice in the show environment. I start taking mine as pups. They are out a lot and are rewarded for positive responses to the show setting. They also go work on the practice jump so they get used to doing something of what they will be asked to do once they do start showing. They are praised and treated for working. Going to a show and doing things becomes something they enjoy doing. By the time mine do show they can handle anything that happens.
Now, the problem with her going back for the food... You have to build value for working with YOU. Make yourself fun and Interesting to your dog. That's also why you want to gradually fade the food. It can't remain the soul motivator. I wouldn't show her until she can work without having to have the food.... and if she is that focused on the food that she would run back to get it, I wouldn't use it just before going in the ring. You want her focused on you, not going to the food. Athena is also in love with food and while she wouldn't do that, if I treated her prior to going in the agility ring she wasn't focused on running and would go slower. Now we play and I rev her up and she is fast and driven to run.
 
I never jerked, just gently -- GENTLY -- popped when he lunged toward another dog, adding the "AAH!" sound.

We call it "power steering". Our first Sheltie spent quality time in a prong collar. He was, and is still today (at 14 1/2 years old) a marginally out of control, OCD, never-ending barking, kid biting dog, with one Utility leg. At least now when he bites, he is lacking the teeth to do any real damage. And he'll probably miss anyway because he can't see well either.

The only difference in my use of a prong is that I never taught people to pop or warn the dog. I let the dogs self correct. Imagine the dog lunging, hitting the end of the leash, turning around all pissed off, and the owner looking around like "what?" Then the dog gets rewarded when it comes back to the owner. I had one couple refuse to use one on their out of control lab, right up until the dog broke the wife's arm lunging at something and slamming her arm into a pole.
 
Anyway. I just started heeling with my girl, and I am a firm believer in self corrections. So I started by putting the food right next to my leg, and let her bounce around in heel position trying to get to the food. Then I started rewarding every few steps. She tends to run ahead, and I let her hit the end of her leash. She gives me a pissy look, and comes back, and we start over. She is at the point now where I have tied her to my calf. She has eight inches of lead between her collar (YES A CHOKE, OH THE HUMANITY!!) and my leg. If she is in the right place, it's all good, she gets an occasional cookie. If she isn't, the lead self corrects until she is in the right place. It takes her about six feet, then she settles in nicely and off we go, getting cookies along the way. I have no part of the correction, so she doesn't hold it against me. Unlike her sister who can hold a grudge for DAYS.
I used a choke :lol: chain on my old shepherd also. That is the only collar she had. And she self corrected the way you describe. I had to use it for her, but she learned quickly. And we heeled pretty well! Sandstorm and I don't heel, he is fine with his martingale- my shepherd could pull my arm off if I let her. I don't really like heeling unless I had to, SS walks really well now-lots of work- see a car, sit. Walk, see a car, sit. LOL
 
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