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I don't know quite where to put this, if it should be in the Puppy or Behavior thread or here. Koffoy is 3 mths and 6 days old. I've brought him home when he was 8 weeks. I love him dearly and he is a ball of energy. He is a different personality than my Other Sheltie was and I am enjoying that too.

But we are struggling with a couple of items that I didn't struggle with my first. The two biggest issues are he seems to be struggling with a separation anxiety. He does fine if he is in the exercise pen in the kitchen if he can see me. But as soon as I leave to go down the hall to the bathroom or laundry, he goes crazy. He starts barking and scratching at the kitchen floor and throwing himself into the side of the exercise pen. As soon as I come back into site he is fine and goes back to playing. What do I do to help him? I didn't have this issue with my first and I am worried he is going to hurt himself. He doesn't do this at night when I say it's bedtime and he goes to his kennel for bed. I've tried putting him in his kennel and given him a treat when I've gone down the hall but he does the same thing that he does in the exercise pen.

The other issue is training. He is doing well on the leash and walks pretty much right next to me only occasionally tugs. But we are working on sit and come and he is just not having anything to do with either one. I have a treat that he absolutely seems to love that I am using for training, but he just doesn't seem to be getting it. Am I expecting to much for his age. I keep the training sessions short and am trying to do it multiple times throughout the days. When I go to work with him on sit he either tries to nip at my hand or tries to play the "catch me" game (which he likes to play a lot and I know is common at this age). He is on the leash when we are working on sit and come so he can't get too far away during his catch me game, but I'm not sure what to do because he doesn't seem to be getting it. I'm doing the same thing training him that I did with my first.

Otherwise I think he is doing ok. He is still having some accidents in his kennel during the day when I am at work, but I expect that still at 3 mths. He doesn't having an accidents at all at night. He has an occasion accident in the house, but its usually because I wasn't paying attention. He is a little shy still around new people and new dogs, it doesn't help that a golden retriever came bouncing up and slobbered all over him one evening. That made me furious, because the owner didn't have him on a lease and couldn't control him. I had pick Koffoy up because I wasn't sure what the golden would do, but the golden kept jumping up on me and scared Koffoy.

Sorry this is long, but any ideas, suggestions for the two big issues would be appreciated.
 
I battled with a puppy with seperation anxiety when he was younger - and leaving the room without him was very difficult too. It's a great idea to start dealing with this while he is still young, as I found it takes quite a bit more work once it becomes entrenched. It is pretty normal for a sheltie tho, and a young dog. After all you are the most exciting thing around so the excitement goes when you do, and of course you're his sheep and leaving the flock.

I suggest instead of regular feeding keep a large chunk of his daily food set aside for training. When you leave the room throw in a treat dispenser or stuffed kong so he has something to keep him occupied. Also do regular little practices where you leave the room and come back - starting with a short period and then extending the time, so he learns his sheep will come back.

Commands can take a while to learn and sometimes its in the way you teach it. There's a few approaches, this is the one I use. When you teach the sit try getting the sit consistent first before adding the verbal command because it's just background noise atm. Hold the treat close to his nose and push the treat back so he has no choice than to sit to reach it. Once you are getting a sit, start using the command once his butt is on the ground - so he learns sit means bum on the floor and doesn't get it confused with you offering a treat.

I'd also think about calming him down before doing training so he doesn't just want to play - a simple shoulder massage can help. Then use the chase game as a reward. He gets to play chase after he settles and does a few commands.
 
Am I getting this right that you are leaving a 3 month old puppy in a crate all day while you are at work?
 
No, there is a neighbor that comes and lets him out a couple of a times a day and plays and takes him for a walk. But I don't think he goes potty with her, she's mentioned that he doesn't seem to need to go. I think it's because he is too busy playing with her dog. But even with that I still expect that he would have accidents. I'm amazed actually that he doesn't have any at night. The first 2 weeks I had him I was getting up taking him out twice in the middle of the night. But during the second week each time I was having to wake him up. He wasn't stirring when I got up. So I decided to wait until he barked or cried and there wasn't a sound all night and he's been like that every night since.
 
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I would just ignore him when he cries. He has learned that acting up = mom will come back. Since he has already figured that out it will take longer for him to realise that crying will not bring you back. I would give him a kong full of frozen yogurt or peanut butter to occupy him.

Be patient with training and take it slow. He is young and will eventually learn.
 
Most pups by 10 weeks, toy breeds are a definate exception, can stay clean for 6 - 8 hours overnight in a crate if allowed to ex before they go to bed. I think it has to be because there isn't anything going on inside the house or out. During the day is a different story.
Ask your pup sitter to ex the dog without the distraction of her dog and then once it has done's it's job, then it can play.
 
Thanks for the input. I hadn't thought about a kong, my first boy didn't care for them that much. I tried it tonight with just a tiny amount of peanut butter. He did bark a tiny bit, but settled very quickly. Little steps are so awesome.

I also tried holding the treat back over him till he sat, well he decided that he wanted to jump not sit. Surprised me, jumping straight up. Well keep working on it.

I've talked to my neighbor, and have said no play until potty, asked her to keep her go inside till he potties, but I don't think it is happening. The reason I think that is he does well on weekend and days I'm home, so much that I don't put anything down in his kennel or in the play area. Sort of frustrating. I'm looking at finding someone who will reinforce what I am doing, and do what I ask.
 
The two biggest issues are he seems to be struggling with a separation anxiety.

I agree with the other posters, don't go back when he is crying because that only reinforces the crying.

In this thread, you can find other tricks to prevent separation anxiety. He's at a perfect age to put those steps into place and prevent this problem. http://sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=11985&highlight=separation+anxiety

I have a treat that he absolutely seems to love that I am using for training, but he just doesn't seem to be getting it. Am I expecting to much for his age. I keep the training sessions short and am trying to do it multiple times throughout the days. When I go to work with him on sit he either tries to nip at my hand or tries to play the "catch me" game (which he likes to play a lot and I know is common at this age).

You are definitely not expecting too much at this age. If he is not ''getting it'' it means you need to get creative and teach it differently:wink2:. There are so many ways to teach it. You can use food to guide him towards a sit by lifting it slowly while in front of his nose, you can use the same method but add you hand on top of his rear end and slowly guide him to a sit, or you can free shape and wait for him to sit and then you click and reward.

If you do not use a clicker yet, definitely look into that. I love it because it helps the dog understand what you want from him. Just search on youtube for clicker training a puppy, or training a puppy to sit with a clicker. (You have to introduce the clicker before teaching a trick with it, but that is easy, Click-give a small treat / Click again - give a treat, a dozen of time and the dog will associate the sound to a reward).

About the catch me game, do not reinforce this game by chasing your puppy when he does it. This is the worse thing to do for when you will want to teach Come to your dog or for if ever your dog accidentally gets loose close to a street and you need to have him come back the dog will simply thing ''I know this game'' and run away from you. Switch it to ''Catch the human'' game by you running away from your pup and him coming to tag you play with him and run away again.

He is still having some accidents in his kennel during the day when I am at work, but I expect that still at 3 mths. He doesn't having an accidents at all at night.
At that age, I had my dad come over to take Kyara out for a 5 min pee break during the day. It is strictly pee then you can play. Though she never peed in her crate ever, even when he didn't come by she was fine. I would play with her for a good 2 hours before work, then my boyfriend would leave about an hour after me so she would be in her crate for 7 hours in the day and she was fine.

How big is the kennel you leave him in? He shouldn't want to soil the place where he sleeps but if the kennel is large, he will be more likely to pee in one corner and sleep in the other, therefore adding a separator to make the kennel smaller (just enough to lie down stretched out and be able to stand and turn around) might help.
 
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