I have a question on chicken bones

VallejoSheltie said:
Also, dog stomach acid is not really different, it is more acidic. I've seen various pH ranges for humans around 2-3, with dogs average 1-3. As pH is based on the Logarithmic scale, going from pH of 3 to pH of 2 means the dogs stomach acid is 10x stronger than human. Actually, just found a -real- realiable link to dog stomach acid pH: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19177514
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It is different than peoples and you just explained why :) It's incredible stronger than ours therefor allowing them to eat things we wouldn't be able to. There are also lots and lots of studies being done on dog salivia and bacteria in it and they are experimenting why dogs lick their sores and if there is some kind of anti-bacteria in the respect also.
 
VallejoSheltie said:
Also, dog stomach acid is not really different, it is more acidic. I've seen various pH ranges for humans around 2-3, with dogs average 1-3. As pH is based on the Logarithmic scale, going from pH of 3 to pH of 2 means the dogs stomach acid is 10x stronger than human. Actually, just found a -real- realiable link to dog stomach acid pH: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19177514
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The article you mention said dogs have a higher pH - which means their stomachs are less acidic. The article that came up for me looks at the difference in empty stomach vs eating kibble in relation to animal testing - is that the one you meant? In all mammals stomach pH level changes in relation to what is eaten - the stomach pH in humans is often used in forensics to ascertain the last time someone ate.

This may be useful http://www.vetsallnatural.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107&Itemid=113.
 
We give my Pom raw a lot of times and my husband has done lots of research on it. No cooked anything! When cooked the bones get hard, when raw they are soft. We give Jewel wings cause she is so small. We also give sometimes, ground turkey, deer meat, chicken raw cut off the bones sometimes, even yogurt. Vegatables are good also but she never liked that to much. Nothing that has been processed foods. Like premade food. Susage, hot dogs,etc


Terry&Blysse
 
I'm not sure what article you mean, the .gov one doesn't say that, it just confirms somewhat the dog acid strength.
I don't disagree with anything you say or your link.


*Caro said:
The article you mention said dogs have a higher pH - which means their stomachs are less acidic. The article that came up for me looks at the difference in empty stomach vs eating kibble in relation to animal testing - is that the one you meant? In all mammals stomach pH level changes in relation to what is eaten - the stomach pH in humans is often used in forensics to ascertain the last time someone ate.

This may be useful http://www.vetsallnatural.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107&Itemid=113.
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So now I read that dog intestines are basically close to sterile, and very unlike human intestines with lots of flora/fauna?
So, not a lot of use/need for the probiotic cultures, though I expect it is relaxing and easy on the gut. See http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison2.html "The Gut Flora".

Oh well, my dog likes it, so he'll still get it as an occasional treat. Interesting URL's everyone.

Terry said:
We give my Pom raw a lot of times and my husband has done lots of research on it. No cooked anything! When cooked the bones get hard, when raw they are soft. We give Jewel wings cause she is so small. We also give sometimes, ground turkey, deer meat, chicken raw cut off the bones sometimes, even yogurt. Vegatables are good also but she never liked that to much. Nothing that has been processed foods. Like premade food. Susage, hot dogs,etc


Terry&Blysse
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I've gone and asked the author for a cite regarding this.

Did some googling and found this authoritative article,
http://aem.asm.org/content/34/2/194.abstract
however I am not a GI expert, and didn't bother too look up some of the GI subsystems (Dogs housed in a conventional, open, environment had bacteria that occurred in layers on their ceca and colons and in their crypts of Lieberkuhn).

Not sure what to believe,
 
VallejoSheltie said:
I've gone and asked the author for a cite regarding this.
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Author was quick to reply, however he appears to be traveling(?) or away from home base.


I'm sorry, Fred, at the moment I haven't.

This is basic textbook stuff and I am away from home and books for 4 months.

I checked the Internet as best I could for a proper reference that you could access. But, although there is quite a lot about the intestinal flora of
various animals, and was surprised at how sparse authoritative information is on this subject.

Sorry I can't be of more help at present.


Barry Groves
 
VallejoSheltie said:
Not sure what to believe,
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Either way, the proof is in the pudding and I've seen nothing but positive things from my dogs eating the prey model diet. I, however, follow it 100% and don't mix it so I can't give any input on that. Here's my Sheltie, Hadley, who started RAW at the end of January and this is taken in May:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/maddy_ciccone18/beforeafter.jpg

I never worry about them getting sick and I take their weeks worth of meat out of the freezer at a time and towards the end of the week, it can smell kind of stinky but they just enjoy it better. I throw legs out in the yard and they eat on the bones sometimes weeks later. :) When we first started, I did work them up to eating "older" meat so I didn't just throw them stinky meat but now they've been eating raw for a year, they can handle pretty much anything. Eggs/liver/kidney/spleen and no problems whatsoever. Rudy, whose been on raw five months almost now, is still a little sensitive and can't do a whole egg yet but he's done really well and only got diarrhea once since we switched him and he was switched cold turkey. We tossed the kibble when he walked in the house and he won't even eat it now! LOL If he gets adopted, I hope they will feed him raw or else we'll transition him back (or try to) before he leaves us.
 
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