Jumping and barking at our mealtime

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I become very upset when these questions are asked and everyone seems to think, "PUT HIM/HER IN A CRATE!" That will fix it.

This is so lame. Did your mom and dad send you to your room and lock the door? That is exactly what I think of.

Why do so many of you have dogs/Shelties if all you are going to do is lock them up in a blasted crate.

I hope and think I know that Chip understands he is very special. Never been locked up. It would absolutely kill me to see the look on his face.

I just don't understand this method of training. It makes absolutely no sense to me or my wife.
 
I become very upset when these questions are asked and everyone seems to think, "PUT HIM/HER IN A CRATE!" That will fix it.

This is so lame. Did your mom and dad send you to your room and lock the door? That is exactly what I think of.

Why do so many of you have dogs/Shelties if all you are going to do is lock them up in a blasted crate.

I hope and think I know that Chip understands he is very special. Never been locked up. It would absolutely kill me to see the look on his face.

I just don't understand this method of training. It makes absolutely no sense to me or my wife.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Just like people have different parenting methods with their children, dog owners have different methods of training and living with their dogs. A majority of people on this forum use crates, and that doesn't make us bad dog owners. The only time my dog is crated is when I am at work and if I have to run an errand. Other than that, she's out of her crate with me. If I were to have guests over for a meal (which never happens btw), she would definitely be in her crate while we're eating. Why? Because nobody wants a Sheltie begging at the table. It's for 30 minutes to an hour. She's fine. If I had a back yard, i would probably put her outside while we were eating, that's what my parents do anyway. If she was well behaved enough to go lay down somewhere else while we're eating, then there would be no need to crate her, I just haven't taught her that. Lacey is 16 weeks old. A baby. There is nothing wrong with putting her in a crate while they eat and while she learns that begging at the table is not appropriate.
 
Our older dog does not beg at the table so he is free. We have tried putting Lacey out in the yard while we eat, but then she scratches at the door. Since this is behavior I do not want to encourage we will work with her in the crate and see how that goes.
 
Originally Posted by ferg View Post

I just don't understand this method of training. It makes absolutely no sense to me or my wife.

Crating is like putting a dog or child in a playpen with a lid. Didn't you say you had a playpen/crib for your dog when he was really little as well as baby gates? I, for one, have an open house. My kitchen, living room, and dining room are one room. During parts of the year I work in that room too, other times in an office. Upstairs is a loft bedroom with no door. We have two guest bedrooms (one is the real office). One is locked off as it has a train layout on 3 of the 4 walls. One is open and the office. I also have THREE cats, who jump, high. I have NO yard at all except for a gravel area for business. Dogs cannot be allowed to wander alone around that yard or any part of outside due to snakes and scorpions and tarantulas and skunks and black widows and tarantula hawks and vultures and bobcats and mountain lions and coyotes.

The last puppy was crated in the office while I worked until I knew he was fully potty trained (5 months) and then we were babygated in until I knew he could make good decisions (that all being 6 months). No crates since for 3 years. This pup was crated the first few weeks and then laid on the couch while I worked (which is up to 15 hours a day). Now, he has free roam of the big open downstairs. He is crated at night only. This is because Melli is SO jealous about anyone being on the bed but her that she might hurt him and he does not understand that. Shay sleeps on a futon. When the pup is fully potty trained, won't just walk off, and can understand he can sleep anyplace but the bed, we won't need the crate. Incidentally, I have the 42" long by 28" wide crate. It's big.

The crate is helpful in teaching bladder control because they won't soil where they are laying, it helps give them a place to be safe when they can't be watched until they can make their own decisions, and the fact at bedtime I say Kennel Up and the dog runs to the crate from downstairs and lays down tells that he does not hate it but views it as "his" place. You may have the impression that we just lock them in cages all the time when that is not at all the case. There are times until those times are no longer needed as the dog matures and can make decisions. In a multi-pet household there is very little way around it. A pen would be great except for the other animals jumping in or pushing it over.

Crating is not bad if used wisely and changes with time and need.

In Lacey's case there is a very short term situation happening -- there is a young child in the house with a problem during mealtime, mom has no voice, and she is in a rebellious phase. During a meal, until the child moves and mom has voice confining the pup is certainly not a bad thing. THEN mom can work on training when some of the situation has improved (the child is moving, the voice will return, Lacey will be starting school).

Name me a parent who never put their child in a crib or a playpen or a swing or a high chair or a bumbo seat EVER? Same thing. Just because it has a roof, it's not evil.
 
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I wish I had crate trained my twin boys. Seriously considered putting them on leash back in the day when I shopped at malls. Spent a lot of time running in 2 directions at once.

About the crate, it is not cruel, not punishment. Crating means a time out from the chaos of the household and with a meal or treat. And for safety's sake. A loose puppy can chew through an electrical cord and burn his mouth, can eat something that can kill him, etc.

besides, suppose your dog is injured or very sick and hospitalized, that would not be the time to introduce a dog to confinement in a kennel crate....
 
Most dogs love to be in crates. I had one puppy that would run to his crate to take his naps. My Pomeranian loved his crate and slept in it for his entire life.

I have no problem using a crate with my puppy and do not consider it to be a bad thing at all.
 
We crated Shelby at meal time until she learned that begging/jumping etc was not acceptable. We then progressed to giving her a chew bone when we ate dinner.

Now she just lays down on the floor and doesn't bother us at all. Sometimes she will get a bone out of her box and chew for a few minutes.

She is 4 years old and I just put her crate away a few weeks ago. She was no longer going in it so I just out it under the bed.

We are so glad we crate trains her. It was the best thing ever. I always worry that if something were to happen and we had to go to a shelter I know she would be fine in a crate. I know she would bark, she always does in nose work class, but I know she wouldn't freak out about it. She never barked in her crate at home only in class she barks in her crate and only if we are around. If we leave the room she stops barking.
 
Dinner was so much more pleasant tonight. No begging, yipping or jumping. Lacey complained a few times, but not much until she needed to go out. Everyone was so much more relaxed.
 
As you all well know, training starts the day you bring your new baby home and never stops. I started from day one telling Bambi to go lie down when I was at the dinner table. That was the only place in the house that she was not allowed when we were eating, after a couple of days of me telling her to go lie down, when she saw me with my dinner plate in my hand, she just left the room. She would lie in the kitchen while I cooked dinner because she knew momma was a "messy" cook and always managed to drop a bite or two! No, my baby was not spoiled . . . much!
 
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