Jumping early
- Thread starter nellie123
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This is a perfect reason to do jump grid work. It makes them think and only lets them land and then jump again so they have to figure out their timing. Here's the grids and they are easy to set up at home. Keep the jumps low. This isn't about the height of the jump but the timing.
http://www.hotpawsagility.com/practicecourses/grid12-2-08.jpg
http://www.hotpawsagility.com/practicecourses/grid2-10212008-complete.JPG
http://www.hotpawsagility.com/practicecourses/grid12-2-08.jpg
http://www.hotpawsagility.com/practicecourses/grid2-10212008-complete.JPG
Silaria
Forums Sage
Agreed on both points!
Believe it or not there is actually more to jumping skill than just having the dog jump over the bar and leave it up. I remember being amazed when I first started training at the different skills the dog had just to jump a bar - collection, extension, turning in conjunction with extension/collection cues, etc.
I also agree with only jumping her at jump height. By varying the jump height you may actually be confusing her because she can't "read" the difference between an 8 and 12 inch jump clearly. Switching the jump heights between 8 and 12 doesn't help her learn exactly how much force she needs to apply to always clear 12 inches.
My dog actually jumps mixed heights in competition. In CPE and TDAA, he jumps 12 inches. In AKC he jumps 16 inches. When I train with him, we jump at 16 inches because its easier for him to clear a 12 inch bar when he's trained to jump 4 inches higher AND he learns to jump the higher jumps he needs for AKC.
HopeShelties
Forums Enthusiast
I'm actually working on this now for a friend who's dog I am going to be running. The dog CAN jump, however she doesn't know how to jump properly, and ends up just throwing herself over the jumps, often crashing bars. She was never taught anything about collection, and strictly jumps in extension. We're going back to teaching jumping using Linda's system and jump grids
corbinam
Moderator
This is exactly where I am with my dog, Lexi, too. She isn't crashing bars (yet) but I know this is an issue. You can go look at the thread I recently posted called "Drills/Tips for Powering Down". Several members posted some really great jump grids.
When I met with Stuart Mah about Lexi's jumping several months ago he actually had me correct her when she threw herself over a jump. If you look for it, there is quite a difference between throwing in extension and collecting for a jump. The collection provides a much softer approach and creates a tighter, closer landing. I work jump boxes and use all my quiet commands (decel, "shh", etc...) and if she still throws herself over, she gets an "unh-unh!" and she has to try again.
corbinam
Moderator
I hope she doesn't mind, but here's the link: http://www.kidstube.com/videos/72561/jumping-early-before
I'm not sure this is entirely a collection issue. Some of these jumps seem INCREDIBLY early. What do the experts think?
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First,I don't think we are experts.It could be ETS but I am no expert and do not know anymore about it than the next person.The dog has no collection and is over extending on her jumping crashing bars.She is not stutter stepping.My own personal opinon is if you are having problems connect with someone who knows what they are teaching.In Nellie's case this is up to her parents.
First,I don't think we are experts.It could be ETS but I am no expert and do not know anymore about it than the next person.The dog has no collection and is over extending on her jumping crashing bars.She is not stutter stepping.My own personal opinon is if you are having problems connect with someone who knows what they are teaching.In Nellie's case this is up to her parents.
Silaria
Forums Sage
I'm no expert but from the videos I'd say Nellie can jump but really doesn't know HOW to jump for agility.
When I'm teaching my level 100 class (bear bones basics - buja, ladder, flat board, etc.) and we begin to introduce jumping the one thing I can always expect to hear as I set the bar to 8 inches for the initial instruction is "My dog can jump higher than that" or some variant there of (like 'my dog jumps on my bed all the time which is much higher).
There is a difference between a dog that can jump - all dogs can jump - and a dog that understands how to control their jumping ability to be a successful jumper in agility.
Some of the best advice that's been offered in this discussion is Linda Mecklenburg's "Developing Jumping Skills" and the use of jump grids. If its possible, I'd also recommend finding an agility class because a good instructor can help you really develop good technique.
Nellie has great potential. Keep working on it and she'll be a star.
When I'm teaching my level 100 class (bear bones basics - buja, ladder, flat board, etc.) and we begin to introduce jumping the one thing I can always expect to hear as I set the bar to 8 inches for the initial instruction is "My dog can jump higher than that" or some variant there of (like 'my dog jumps on my bed all the time which is much higher).
There is a difference between a dog that can jump - all dogs can jump - and a dog that understands how to control their jumping ability to be a successful jumper in agility.
Some of the best advice that's been offered in this discussion is Linda Mecklenburg's "Developing Jumping Skills" and the use of jump grids. If its possible, I'd also recommend finding an agility class because a good instructor can help you really develop good technique.
Nellie has great potential. Keep working on it and she'll be a star.