"Poshies" Seriously?!

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Other sheltie designers...

Some other possible combos with shelties, just for the heck of it:

lab+yorkie+sheltie = shelbradorkie
irish setter+sheltie = settie
coonhound+sheltie = shelcoon sheephound
bulldog+corgi+sheltie = shebullgi
dachshund+dalmation+sheltie = shachmatie
giant schnauzer+great pyreness+sheltie = giant schnapyrtie
schipperke+shih tzu+shiba inu+sheltie = shhhh
JRT+GSD+sheltie = Jack's German sheepherd
Tibetan mastiff+St. Bernard+sheltie = imposshebilitie
pug+Boston terrier+beagle+Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever+sheltie = shuck buggle

Anyone have others to add?
 
celloyogi said:
In the case of one breeder I noted, they are breeding "toy" shelties - an unrecognized breed potentially with health problems of its own. Creating a new breed from two presents its own problems.
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Health problems based on what information? We have lots of breeds with regular and toys, and each has it's own set of issues. I'm not saying I like "toy" shelties, but I don't assume they are unhealthy based on size, or because I don't like them. And we have some seriously sickly "pure" breeds that have been around forever. So I want solid data before making a health determination.

As to creating "breeds", these hybrid dogs are not a "breed". They are the offspring of two purebred dogs. Some people have tried to breed further generations from lab/poodle mixes, but I don't know that it is successful. Lab+Poodle is fairly predictable, but breed one lab/poodle mix to another lab/poodle mix, and you don't get the same result. It's called breeding "true". Designer dogs don't.

I will agree that they play on the ignorances of buyers. It's not the breeding of the dogs that bothers me, but the nonsense they use to sell them.
 
The thing I find funny is people who want to advertise a mix as 'the best of both breeds inherited'. Not so! It can also easily be the worst of both breeds, or anywhere in between. The fact is, there is a lot less control in what you're going to get when you go mixing breeds.
The horse people have been doing it for years.... national show horses, georgian grandes, appendix qhs, morabs. You can wind up with exactly what you were hoping to achieve, but I feel you have a better chance getting a mixed bag.
The worst part is the types doing these mixes in dogs have no real reason other than money that they are doing these crosses. They have no clue what they are really doing.
I don't like when they throw around hybrid reason as a good reason to mix breeds. There are still pretty universal issues that can pop up despite the claims of hybrid vigor. You're just not going to get the more breed specific ones typically. It doesn't make that mix any better than a purebred dog though.
 
People been doing it for a long time, for exactly the same reasons. A lot of recognized breeds wouldn't exist today if rich people in England weren't mixing the genetic pot for no other reason than trying to create something cute.
 
ClantyreSheltie said:
Health problems based on what information? We have lots of breeds with regular and toys, and each has it's own set of issues. I'm not saying I like "toy" shelties, but I don't assume they are unhealthy based on size, or because I don't like them. And we have some seriously sickly "pure" breeds that have been around forever. So I want solid data before making a health determination.

As to creating "breeds", these hybrid dogs are not a "breed". They are the offspring of two purebred dogs. Some people have tried to breed further generations from lab/poodle mixes, but I don't know that it is successful. Lab+Poodle is fairly predictable, but breed one lab/poodle mix to another lab/poodle mix, and you don't get the same result. It's called breeding "true". Designer dogs don't.

I will agree that they play on the ignorances of buyers. It's not the breeding of the dogs that bothers me, but the nonsense they use to sell them.
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Sorry, let me clarify what I meant. Toy/standard sizes in many breeds are recognized by AKC, but toy shelties are not. Most of the breeders of poshies I've read about have chosen stock based on size alone. No single gene controls height, and there is also no way to accurately predict what other traits may be linked - part of the purpose of a pedigree is such prediction. Toy shelties are an unknown - and I have yet to see any poshie breeder showing results of health testing as sheltie breeders do. It's a quality-control issue for me; as you mentioned about breeding true, the designer breeders don't seem to get that as many advertise % of whatever breed in each litter because they breed mix x mix and still call it the same designer breed name. Genetics get mushy, predictive value for any generation drops, etc.

And as far as my saying they are creating a breed, I'm only calling it that because the breeders creating them are (designer "breed"), and advertising as such. Until recognized by AKC as such, I don't personally consider them a breed either, just a hybrid.
 
HopeShelties said:
The thing I find funny is people who want to advertise a mix as 'the best of both breeds inherited'. Not so! It can also easily be the worst of both breeds, or anywhere in between. The fact is, there is a lot less control in what you're going to get when you go mixing breeds.
The horse people have been doing it for years.... national show horses, georgian grandes, appendix qhs, morabs. You can wind up with exactly what you were hoping to achieve, but I feel you have a better chance getting a mixed bag.
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Exactly. The horse I'm riding is KWPN (warmbloods, the ultimate legitimized mutt), bizarrely Dutch Harness x Saddlebred, fantastic movement with a back the saddler describes as "one of those":rolleyes2: but could have resulted in a pretty awful gooserumped, giraffe-necked, long backed gelding. You want to pick a stud that fixes what's bad about your mare but you can easily end up what's bad about each.
 
The breeder from whom I got Dickens has just had a litter of Pembroke Shelties, which are half Sheltie and half Pembroke Welsh Corgi. There's not much information on this hybrid on the web, but the examples I've seen look a lot like the Toonie Dogs before the Rough Collie got added to the mix. I'd love to get one because they seem so intriguing, but unfortunately we've got to remain a one-dog family.
 
Of course I had to look them up. I agree with what everyone has said, but they sure are cute! We came so close to getting an Auggie (mini Australian Shepherd/Corgi) before we found Sammy. Phew! To think we might be living without that little Stinker Winker!

I do get a kick out of the 2-dog mixes that just "happen", like my friend's Lab/Dachshund mix. She is the funniest-looking but sweetest dog in the world. Picture a Lab body squeezed into giant sausage length, set on little stubby weiner dog legs, with floppy Lab ears and a pointed nose, the whole thing being propelled by a giant wagging Lab tail.

Janet
 
Psalms said:
Of course I had to look them up. I agree with what everyone has said, but they sure are cute! We came so close to getting an Auggie (mini Australian Shepherd/Corgi) before we found Sammy. Phew! To think we might be living without that little Stinker Winker!

I do get a kick out of the 2-dog mixes that just "happen", like my friend's Lab/Dachshund mix. She is the funniest-looking but sweetest dog in the world. Picture a Lab body squeezed into giant sausage length, set on little stubby weiner dog legs, with floppy Lab ears and a pointed nose, the whole thing being propelled by a giant wagging Lab tail.

Janet
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That's what spay/neuter is for! Accidents can be easily prevented.

(No offense to your friend - her dog sounds adorable.:yes:)
 
I had forgotten about the DHH X Saddlebred crosses. That has gotten popular with a certain crowd over the last few years. The amish have really picked up on that as well. Another being done, though I think a little less popular is the Arab X DHH cross.
As popular as it is, I'm not a big warmblood fan, in the original sense of it :P Everyone wants a big imported european horse when I think there are plenty of horses from the US who already could make exceptional sport horses. For dressage as an example, many of the Saddlebreds built to be gaited horses would make wonderful dressage horses, and as many who've been in both worlds have commented, the Saddlebreds naturally tend to give a lot of the things that so many at the higher levels desire and have to work hard to get from the imports.
 
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