Possible UTI

Ugh. Those are the worst calls to wait for. I'm with you, I'd be calling regularly. Thanks for keeping us posted, Dani....sending good thoughts your way.
 
For Urinary testing if I bring it to them in the morning I usually have the results by the end of the day.

I'd be impatient too, its hard waiting when you think your fur kid (or human kid for that matter) is hurting.

Keep us posted! We're thinking of you and Chloe!
 
UGH....my chloe.

So, apparently she does not have a UTI and this vet wants me to try Proin for urinary Incontinence. I am so confused because her urine smells just like when she had a UTI in the fall following her last doses of Doxy.

I really feel like I just want to cry right now with Chloe. Every since her Lyme diagnosis, I am in the vets every couple of weeks with something.

I am going to start a thread on Proin, so I can see what people have to say about it. I really do not want to start her on a drug for the rest of her life for incontinence. I just feel like this is not the case. It seems like it came on suddenly, like a UTI.

I have a vet appt. with my usual vet next week for Chloe's annual. I think I am going to need a couch in his office with a box of tissues for this visit. He just may commit me afterwards :(
 
Danielle, I'm so sorry her results are not what you expected. Can you ask the vet to try an antibiotic before you treat her for incontinence? Especially since she had the same symptoms the last time she was on doxy.

I know your girls are your babies, so it's really hard seeing Chloe suffer. I hope she gets some relief soon.
 
take4roll10 said:
Danielle, I'm so sorry her results are not what you expected. Can you ask the vet to try an antibiotic before you treat her for incontinence? Especially since she had the same symptoms the last time she was on doxy.

I know your girls are your babies, so it's really hard seeing Chloe suffer. I hope she gets some relief soon.
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Thanks Randi.

I may just do that.

I am reading up on Proin and I am not comfortable at all using it. I would rather deal with changing her bedding in the morning than risk the side effects.
 
A quick primer on canine urinary incontinence,(inappropriate urination), which might help you understand your veterinarian's approach-

We generally split urinary incontinence into 3 broad categories -
1) Poyluria, polydypsia - excess drinking, urination - LARGE amounts of urine passed. Dog can not go all night without copious urination. Diabetes, Cushings, etc.

2) Irritation - dog suddenly has inappropriate 'urge to urinate' and lets go in the kitchen. Amount may be small, moderate, or large. generally bladder infection (UTI) often stones or crystals, rarely tumors.

3) Passive leakage. What people wear Depends for. Weak sphincters. Finding a puddle where the dog was lying, or they dribble, even as they are walking. Again, can be any size amount. Over 95% of the time this is a middle age or older female who was spayed young. When they come into heat everything tones up, so if they don't come into heat for 6 years sphincters get lax.

Be aware that these are not mutually exclusive. If you have weak sphincters it is a two way street - urine can leak out, bacteria can pass in. So UTIs are common in the 'group 3 ' dogs.
What you DO know from the history is that you have (3) above. Hence the Proin. You MAY have some (2), but the urinalysis did not support that. Certainly asking about antibiotic 'cover' is reasonable. Incidentally, you can not do avery meaningful culture on a 'voided' sample as it is too contaminated to be useful. - Dr. Mac
 
The Quahog said:
A quick primer on canine urinary incontinence,(inappropriate urination), which might help you understand your veterinarian's approach-

We generally split urinary incontinence into 3 broad categories -
1) Poyluria, polydypsia - excess drinking, urination - LARGE amounts of urine passed. Dog can not go all night without copious urination. Diabetes, Cushings, etc.

2) Irritation - dog suddenly has inappropriate 'urge to urinate' and lets go in the kitchen. Amount may be small, moderate, or large. generally bladder infection (UTI) often stones or crystals, rarely tumors.

3) Passive leakage. What people wear Depends for. Weak sphincters. Finding a puddle where the dog was lying, or they dribble, even as they are walking. Again, can be any size amount. Over 95% of the time this is a middle age or older female who was spayed young. When they come into heat everything tones up, so if they don't come into heat for 6 years sphincters get lax.

Be aware that these are not mutually exclusive. If you have weak sphincters it is a two way street - urine can leak out, bacteria can pass in. So UTIs are common in the 'group 3 ' dogs.
What you DO know from the history is that you have (3) above. Hence the Proin. You MAY have some (2), but the urinalysis did not support that. Certainly asking about antibiotic 'cover' is reasonable. Incidentally, you can not do avery meaningful culture on a 'voided' sample as it is too contaminated to be useful. - Dr. Mac
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Thanks for sharing that with us Dr. Mac, very interesting read. I hope it helps you Danielle!
 
The Quahog said:
A quick primer on canine urinary incontinence,(inappropriate urination), which might help you understand your veterinarian's approach-

We generally split urinary incontinence into 3 broad categories -
1) Poyluria, polydypsia - excess drinking, urination - LARGE amounts of urine passed. Dog can not go all night without copious urination. Diabetes, Cushings, etc.

2) Irritation - dog suddenly has inappropriate 'urge to urinate' and lets go in the kitchen. Amount may be small, moderate, or large. generally bladder infection (UTI) often stones or crystals, rarely tumors.

3) Passive leakage. What people wear Depends for. Weak sphincters. Finding a puddle where the dog was lying, or they dribble, even as they are walking. Again, can be any size amount. Over 95% of the time this is a middle age or older female who was spayed young. When they come into heat everything tones up, so if they don't come into heat for 6 years sphincters get lax.

Be aware that these are not mutually exclusive. If you have weak sphincters it is a two way street - urine can leak out, bacteria can pass in. So UTIs are common in the 'group 3 ' dogs.
What you DO know from the history is that you have (3) above. Hence the Proin. You MAY have some (2), but the urinalysis did not support that. Certainly asking about antibiotic 'cover' is reasonable. Incidentally, you can not do avery meaningful culture on a 'voided' sample as it is too contaminated to be useful. - Dr. Mac
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Dr. Mac-

Thank-you so much for this explanation. I really appreciate you taking the time out to list out the symptoms above. Now, the diagnosis makes sense to me, as her symptoms were that she was peeing in her crate, and the vet did ask several times what the symptoms were. We have an appt. at 4:15 on Monday, and I will talk with him further if I continue to have the foul smell and see if he thinks he should a non-contaminated sample.

Again, I appreciate your feedback.
 
Dr. Mac, that was invaluable. We had a "dribbler," a rescue Golden -- we finally had to rehome him to a sanctuary because thee simply was no way to control it.

Danielle, I am so sorry to hear of your struggles on behalf of Chloe. I'm hoping that like some folks I know who had Lyme, time will eventually resolve the majority of issues.
 
Thanks guys, glad I could be of some help.
Here's the key line from your original history-

=She has been having accidents in her crate at night, and it looks like it is dribbling out in her sleep.=

Certainly excess urination (excess pressure on a leaky valve at night) or UTI could be involved as well, thus the U/A, but the one thing you know is you have a weak sphincter. - Dr. Mac
 
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