Puppy Mills!

But if they are what you say they are... i dont want to contribute to that.I dont give money to any organizations except my local no kill SPCA.( well i buy them food and treats more than i give $$) and i spend some time just petting or loving the animals there. I want them to feel loved even if it just for a little while .. but there are a lot of people that come to help feed...play....clean up.

That is an awesome thing. Your local shelters are always a good place to take toys and food and stuff. And like I said, Sheltie Rescue is always looking for foster homes. You just have to learn to give them up, because as soon as you fall in love and keep one, you lose that space for the next one. It becomes a one dog at a time mentality.
 
exactly!! I refuse to have anything to do with H$U$ they only care about $$$$$$ and not helping animals, they are borderline becoming PETA like! :mad: Instead I donate to our local animal shelters and I drop off high quality food several times a year to them. Ive also supported our non kill shelter and adopted both my cats from them..
 
I'd be careful about following the HSUS. They are animal rights activists... the same sorts as PETA. You may want to research what you're supporting. They are not like the local humane societies who actually help animals. These are the folks pushing through radical animal laws with the eventual goal of there being no pet ownership whatsoever. A very tiny portion of the donations that go to the HSUS actually go to supporting the care of animals. More goes to HSUS higher ups pension plans than to animal care.
I'd suggest reading this website:
http://www.humanewatch.org
There are local humane societies who are actually changing their names, as they are not associated with the HSUS. They do not recieve funds from the HSUS, and do not want to be lumped in with them. HSUS is a convenient name, as most people believe, like you, that they are like the local humane societies and actually help animals, when they don't (http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/post/nationwide_poll_7_out_of_10_americans/). This is no mistake... they want people to continue to believe they are part of the local humane societies, and are actually helping animals, when they are not.

im going to check out your links now.. Thanks
 
SheltieGuy I think donating your time, affection, love and care is extremely important. Don't get me wrong, our local animal shelters desperately need our financial donations, BUT on an hourly daily basis, the animals need daily "lovin" and one on one attention!:yes:

My hat goes off to you for what you do :wink2:
 
SheltieGuy I think donating your time, affection, love and care is extremely important. Don't get me wrong, our local animal shelters desperately need our financial donations, BUT on an hourly daily basis, the animals need daily "lovin" and one on one attention!:yes:

My hat goes off to you for what you do :wink2:



thank you Megansmom...
Well I am currently unemployed soo $$ is tight or i would give $$ as well.. but i do what i can for now. And I dont just do it for them .. they make me just as happy seeing wagging tails and smiling faces.:yes:
 
While I am not claiming to know all the details, it was the HSUS that was behind the California initiative (that passed) which will force chicken producers to give their hens room to stretch their wings and not be crammed into cages on top of each other. I believe it banned the veal crates and sow crates,too. IMHO those are GOOD things.

I don't know about how much of their donations goes directly to animal care, though - never looked into that.
 
While I am not claiming to know all the details, it was the HSUS that was behind the California initiative (that passed) which will force chicken producers to give their hens room to stretch their wings and not be crammed into cages on top of each other. I believe it banned the veal crates and sow crates,too. IMHO those are GOOD things.

I don't know about how much of their donations goes directly to animal care, though - never looked into that.

So how much are you willing to pay for eggs imported from Nevada? $5 a dozen? $10? They are incrementally making animal products more expensive to price people out of using them. It's working, people are falling for it.
 
So how much are you willing to pay for eggs imported from Nevada? $5 a dozen? $10? They are incrementally making animal products more expensive to price people out of using them. It's working, people are falling for it.

I really don't think that the Prop. 2 was a shady ploy to force everyone in California to become a vegan. California has a long history of ballot measures that probably ought to have been put to the legislature, and not the general vote - that's why the state's budget is in such a mess right now.

I think people just said, hey, California has enough people who are concerned about animals that we can propose and pass a measure that gives battery hens, veal calves, and gestating sows a little more room. It seems like an awfully nice idea. 63% of voting Californians agreed. The potential economic consequences were certainly brought up during the campaign season, but people voted to pass the measure anyway. This sort of thing happens all the time - it's not like some scary HSUS operatives snuck in and falsified the vote to make it impossible for people to eat eggs.

It's also worth considering that we pay surprisingly little for the food we eat in the US. According to the USDA Economic Research Service, the average national retail price for a dozen eggs in January '10 was $1.79. That's $0.15 per egg - fifteen cents per serving of high-quality protein. There aren't many protein sources we can get for $0.15/serving. Factory farming (battery laying operations) and farm subsidies make this possible. I can't find official data on "free-range" eggs, but I'm finding a high price of $3.50. That's still $0.30/egg/serving.

Prop. 2 doesn't take effect until 2015 (if indeed it ever does), so it's difficult to project the price of eggs after the measures take place. UC Davis did a study, though, that estimated a cost increase of at least 20% to producers. (Read the executive summary here: http://aic.ucdavis.edu/publications/eggs/executivesummaryeggs.pdf) I'll throw in an extra 10% for shipping costs from Nevada, and so - a 30% increase over current prices would yield a new retail price of $2.33 per dozen eggs. Remember, this is using UC Davis's own estimates, and assuming that the changes were effective today. That's $0.19/egg.

Considering the horrific conditions in which battery hens live their brief, miserable lives, and the fact that the Prop. 2. provides only a modicum of relief to these animals (they're still debeaked, still not given much room, still slaughtered long before the end of their natural lifespan), a $0.04 cost-differential seems a pittance. It saddens me that people are so unwilling to concede any ground at all - in price, in taste, in frequency of consumption - to alleviate even a small amount of animal suffering.
 
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