Sandstorm was not that great at beach :(

[jomuir]

Everyone has an off day, even the finest Shelties. I can see the jogger getting peeved, but the 'dog trainer' was a blowhard & should be ignored. Or glared at & burped at, which is better, thanks to Tessa for the idea

Maybe if the jogger had turned around & jogged your way, it would have been quicker to get Sandstorm to return? These things always seem to happen so fast. Did you leave soon after this incident? He was probably still all fired up when he saw the woman & barked at her.

Now if it had been ME jogging, I'd have kept running & tried to dognap Sandstorm, but I want to dognap all good doggies & ALL SHELTIES even if they're misbehaving

 

[KarenCurtis]

We did leave the beach shortly after the jogger, so SS was fired up. As for the jogger, he seemed to want to be confrontational, rather than work with us- stop for 5 seconds and let us get our dog. We could not reason with him at all, that's what made me angry. Ofcourse I know it's annoying, I would'nt like it either- but if he had cooperated, problem would have been solved much faster.

Everyone has an off day, even the finest Shelties. I can see the jogger getting peeved, but the 'dog trainer' was a blowhard & should be ignored. Or glared at & burped at, which is better, thanks to Tessa for the idea

Maybe if the jogger had turned around & jogged your way, it would have been quicker to get Sandstorm to return? These things always seem to happen so fast. Did you leave soon after this incident? He was probably still all fired up when he saw the woman & barked at her.

Now if it had been ME jogging, I'd have kept running & tried to dognap Sandstorm, but I want to dognap all good doggies & ALL SHELTIES even if they're misbehaving

 

[Sheltie.Mama]

Wow

That jogger really needs to be a little more understanding.. Accidents happen!! And as for the supposed "dog trainer" it's not her business. So they can leave you and your pooch alone!!

 

[JLSOhio51]

That jogger really needs to be a little more understanding.. Accidents happen!!

I gotta tell you folks, as much as I love dogs and as much as I believe that it would be nice if the jogger was understanding, this is a bit over the top to expect IMO. No matter what, the pet owner is responsible for his/her pet's actions (to KarenCurtis's credit, she acknowledges this fact totally). Expecting the jogger to be nice, kind, understanding or any other emotion when he was the one attacked (call it herded if you like) is expecting waaay too much. If the jogger was less reactive, that would have made things easier for all involved, but to expect it... that is a bit much.

 

[EJHUNTL]

I gotta tell you folks, as much as I love dogs and as much as I believe that it would be nice if the jogger was understanding, this is a bit over the top to expect IMO.

I agree. While I personally don't "get" jogging, I know a few runners and some have had bad experiences with being chased and now carry pepper spray ( it's not always big dogs either). I would hate for my dog to be sprayed by someone who was just trying to protect themselves. It is my job to keep my pet away from people unless invited. In return, I'd also appreciate the courtesy of asking before touching my dog. Sigh! In a perfect world we'd all be courteous and responsible - we don't have that, so we have to be prepared to deal with whatever.

 

[JLSOhio51]

I agree. While I personally don't "get" jogging, I know a few runners and some have had bad experiences with being chased and now carry pepper spray ( it's not always big dogs either). I would hate for my dog to be sprayed by someone who was just trying to protect themselves. It is my job to keep my pet away from people unless invited. In return, I'd also appreciate the courtesy of asking before touching my dog. Sigh! In a perfect world we'd all be courteous and responsible - we don't have that, so we have to be prepared to deal with whatever.

That is precisely what I am saying. I do get that those that are referencing the jogger's behavior are just trying to suggest that a) a different response to his situation might reasonably have difused the situation quicker (I agree); and b) the pup was just doing what comes naturally (agree again). Where I think most of these types of discussions "jump the shark" (an old TV media term) is when they suggest that the individual at fault (in any way) is the one who was minding his own business and was attacked. (Again, I commend KarenCurtis for her grasp of the events).

Imagine the progression of this thread if the situation would have been a child running along with the jogger who came over and accosted the Sheltie in some way. The hew and cry about out of control children and deliquent parents would have been deafening! Through it all though, the value of discussions like this is to remind us of how quickly a seemingly under control situation can go bad, and that each of us sees what occurs in slightly different ways than others. Valuable lessons, both!