Shots for your Shelties

Until you have had a child or a dog become ill due to vaccines, you shouldn't be so quick to judge, ya know?

There's a big, big difference between these two scenarios:

A. We took the puppy in for her first round of vaccines. She a bad reaction to them. We aren't sure what happened, but it appears that something went wrong. Now we know that we have to be super-careful with vaccines with this particular dog, and are working with the vet to figure out alternatives that will keep her safe and healthy.

B. My neighbor took her puppy in for her first round of vaccines. The puppy had a bad reaction to them. They aren't sure what happened, but it appears that something went wrong. I'm really worried about vaccines now. I don't want to risk my puppy having a bad reaction, so I'm not going to get my puppy vaccinated at all.

In A, we've learned that this particular dog (or kid, or goldfish) doesn't tolerate vaccines well. Of course the dog's owner needs to learn from that experience and work with the vet to figure out a safer alternative for this individual dog. To just go in and keep vaccinating her like any other dog would be foolhardy. This is where you are: unfortunately, your puppies have neurological issues that seem to have been caused by vaccination. I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that you recognize that most dogs tolerate vaccines well.

In B, the owner simply assumes that his or her puppy will also have a bad reaction, and so doesn't get the dog vaccinated. It's more than likely that this puppy would tolerate the vaccines perfectly well - but the owner has decided that vaccines are terribly dangerous.

Vaccines don't cause autism. The paper around which that particular argument was built - and the doctor who authored it - have been discredited. Yes, when you're a parent and your child develops autism, of course you look at everything your child touched or ate or did - it's a natural emotional reaction. However, science, public health science included, doesn't run on emotional reactions.

Here's an example: 1 in 1000 cats develops untreatable cancer at the injection site - that's one-half of one percent of cats who get injected. The other 999 cats - that's 99.5%! - don't develop cancer, and are protected from catching or spreading a deadly disease. Yes, it's awful for that 0.5%. It's terrible, and it's unfair, and it sucks - but on the public health scale, it's an acceptable risk.

I think it's important to differentiate between "do we need to give annual boosters?" and "do we need to vaccinate at all?" I believe that the answer to the first is generally "No", and the answer to the second is a resounding "Yes". I should clarify that I'm not talking about annual boosters; I agree that they're generally unnecessary, and I applaud the efforts of those who are working to push for longer and longer mandated intervals between rabies boosters.

But we need to remember that there's an emotional side and a rational side. We need to support and nurture our emotional sides, but in the final assessment, we can't throw rationality out the window because all we can see are the risks.
 
I suppose I'll be paying close to $200 a yr PER dog to avoid rabies... but it's worth $1000 to know I don't have to poison their little systems again. I've research the hell out of this subject and talked to Dr. Dodd's and just all the information I've read vaccines cause more harm than good IMO. I don't take my dogs to dog parks or around other dogs and we don't go to commercial groomers b/c I refuse to give them a kennel cough shot when the shot doesn't even protect against most strains. Sillyness. And my sheltie rescue also knows I don't vaccinate and they support that.
 
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I suppose I'll be paying close to $200 a yr PER dog to avoid rabies... but it's worth $1000 to know I don't have to poison their little systems again. I've research the hell out of this subject and talked to Dr. Dodd's and just all the information I've read vaccines cause more harm than good IMO. I don't take my dogs to dog parks or around other dogs and we don't go to commercial groomers b/c I refuse to give them a kennel cough shot when the shot doesn't even protect against most strains. Sillyness. And my sheltie rescue also knows I don't vaccinate and they support that.


That's fine.....you can still thank me, (or the animals they may be exposed to since they don't live in a bubble) that I have reasonably vaccinated mine so if God forbid yours do contract something preventable, they didn't get it from us! :smile2:
 
That's fine.....you can still thank me, (or the animals they may be exposed to since they don't live in a bubble) that I have reasonably vaccinated mine so if God forbid yours do contract something preventable, they didn't get it from us! :smile2:

Unless its kennel cough, or any other live vaccine.
 
. Rescues take in dogs and vaccinate them right away, never thinking they might be pregnant.

What would you have them do? Wait until they are exposed to parvo? Do a titer and an ultrasound on every intact bitch? What rescue has that kind of funds? We spay everything as soon as possible so it doesn't matter.

We also vaccinate everything that walks in the door. With the goal of getting every puppy and kitten out the door as quick as possible because shelters are stressful and and the longer they are there the greater than chance they will get sick.

Just 1 month, we had a parvo outbreak from 2 litters of puppies-7 and 5 puppies who where 4 months old and had 1 booster. We attempted to treat the first 2 though our rescue partners at a local vet clinic at substanial discount-the bill was 5600+ dollars and 1 week in hospital for both of them. Luckily both lived. The other remaing 10 pups were titer tested. Not 1 pup had any immunity(remember they had 1 booster prior to coming in to the shelter) and were quarantined for 14 days following the last positive. One by one all but 1 pup died. Only 1 survived.

You can say don't judge until you have seen your dog get sick from vaccines but I say people who don't vaccinate at all should watch a healthy active intellgent puppy die of parvo or distemper(yes I have seen distemper 11 cases all died). All of which could have been prevented with proper vaccines.

BTW I had a 10 week old puppy at home who I was freaking out about. Luckily his mom was properly vaccinated, passed excellent immunity and he had his boosters started at a timely manner so his titer was excellent.
 
Shelter environments are very different than home environments. I would expect outbreaks in shelters regardless of vaccination. Shelter dogs are not well cared for to begin with, hence why they are in the shelter. They are bombarded with germs, vaccinated, and then undergo major surgery. In what world would you NOT expect issues with that? There is no avoiding it though.

Let's make sure we separate the environments when we discuss this. A dog who leaves his house twice a year is a different risk category than a dog who spends six weeks in a shelter.
 
Let's make sure we separate the environments when we discuss this. A dog who leaves his house twice a year is a different risk category than a dog who spends six weeks in a shelter.

Exactly. A healthy, well-cared for dog given proper nutrition doesn't need vaccination after vaccination it's entire life. Now, my foster boy, Rudy, if he were younger and not immune compromised, sure, I'd give him a vaccinations. Heck, I vaccinated Hadley with the three year ( or so they say it was) rabies to avoid problems. But I refuse to vaccinate my puppies when who knows what's wrong with them. How come the label says don't vaccinate sick animals but then the law says any animal, sick or not, must be vaccinated?
 
That's fine.....you can still thank me, (or the animals they may be exposed to since they don't live in a bubble) that I have reasonably vaccinated mine so if God forbid yours do contract something preventable, they didn't get it from us! :smile2:

Mine are reasonable vaccinated. I gave them THREE sets (yes, I wish I'd split them up) of shots when they were babies and they had a rabies. (all of which caused them to have a neuro episode) My whole point is dogs don't need repeated vaccines every year.
 
Mine are reasonable vaccinated. I gave them THREE sets (yes, I wish I'd split them up) of shots when they were babies and they had a rabies. (all of which caused them to have a neuro episode) My whole point is dogs don't need repeated vaccines every year.


Did you vaccinate them or did the Vet administer them?
 
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