Should you pick up a small dog at risk?

tofu pup;143730 ... I am a HUGE proponent of dog-dog socialization. However said:
safe[/B] space with savvy dogs to provide the lessons - not a stupid, bounding, aggressive, unsocialized snot of a dog that comes roaring up to your puppy while his owner says "Oh, he's friendly!" Because your young dog is not going to "correct" the aggressive dog that's coming to mow her down. She's not going to "let him know what's expected".

I've been in situations where a ball or tuggy is not going to keep my dog from getting nailed, harassed, bullied, or hurt. (Unless, maybe, I smacked the rude dog on the head with the tuggy and then gave the owner a smack for good measure.) Does my dog "learn" anything by my standing by when there's an oncoming aggressive dog? Sure - he learns to be fearful! There are times when it is absolutely appropriate to scoop your dog up and out of harm's way.
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As always that was well said and my sentiments as well!

In general I wouldn't pick up my dog, plus he is a 32 pound beast, lol. But I understand why you would and should, if your dog is small enough to do so.
 
I disagree with the trainer, if it is a risky situation. After the number of attacks on my dogs in supposedly safe settings that have permanently damaged my dogs, I don't take chances with potential threats to my dogs. If there is a big dog running for mine and there is the chance that big unknown dog may attack and damage my dog in a way that permanently maims them, or damages them mentally to where they won't in the future be able to handle other dogs or people, I will pick up my dog.
Until you have lived with a big dog grabbing your BC puppy and leaving her blind in one eye, until your puppy is like my Aurora who at 4 months was attacked and you've spent 2.5 years trying to bring her back around, until you've had one like Ember grabbed by a nasty dog in class and scared of other strange dogs you can't say that is truly what is best for the dog. What has happened with mine isn't best for them. They don't stand up and defend themselves. They're small shelties. They are easily damaged. They clearly NEED my protection from threats.
I DO pick mine up when I see unknown dogs running at mine. I won't have what I've lived with happen when I can prevent it.
Now, I am all for socializing. Mine are very well socialized. However, that is under controlled circumstances with dogs I know, and am sure they are safe with. We don't' go randomly meeting strange dogs. There are too many idiots out there who claim their dogs are friendly, and are just shocked when their aggressive dog grabs another.
I'd say the ones of mine that have been picked up for their protection aren't the wusses of my bunch. By me picking them up (keep in mine I'm not acting panicky or yelling when I pick them up), mine never seem to get what was approaching was a potential threat to be upset over. The ones that HAVE been grabbed are my wussy dogs. They didn't learn to expect to protect themselves. They learned to look to me even more, as past experience dictates unknown approaching dogs are bad and should be feared, therefor they should look to me to get them away. Frankly, I don't WANT a dog who is going to take it upon itself to correct another dog.
I don't exactly agree with just letting them suffer through a stressful situation either (flooding). In my experience, flooding hasn't worked for my dogs. Of course, I'm not picking them up over a stressful situation either. If I know I am going to be doing something that is likely to stress one of mine out, I try to prepare for that stressful situation ahead of time so that when we are in it, it isn't as big a deal. Aurora is a good example. She was afraid of other people. We started out by bringing a friends kids to a training facility when my friend and I were training. My friends dog savvy kids would sit, not looking at her, offering her treats any time she approached them. They would only touch her if she wanted to be touched. It eventually spread to handling other dog people at the facility, and trusted friends doing the same. Similar things with dogs. While she will never love most dogs, she can now handle situations with them. Again, it started at the training center, getting used to being around a friends BCs, and getting treated for positive interaction/not showing fear. It eventually evolved to her going to agility class, and other members of my class approaching her in nonthreatening manner, and getting to meet their dogs, who I knew were good choices for her to be around. She then started going to fun matches, and was treated for all positive reactions there. It has finally progressed to where she goes to all shows with me, rooms with the BCs, and gets to be out whenever possible, and is rewarded for approaching people by choice, and not showing fear in other dogs (we don't meet dogs at trials unless I know them and know they are friendly). The eventual goal is for her to compete in the agility ring. I really try not to present my dogs with stressful situations that are beyond what they can handle. If I were to have taken Aurora for example to an agility trial shortly after the attack, she would've panicked, and shut down. It wouldn't have improved the situation.
I guess I should say I teach mine to handle things they may find stressful before they encounter the situation.
 
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I completely agree with Tofu Pup and could not have said it better.

But my favorite comment in the thread is this one:

"I don't care if it turns her into a whimp. At least she'll be an unharmed, live whimp."

That just made me smile.

BTW, I pick up Meggie often. At 17 pounds I guess it's easier for me than some of you, but I would pick her up in a heartbeat if I thought she was in danger in any way.
 
I do no think OP statement from her trainer was about aggressive dog vs small dog, at least that is not how I am reading it. My view- statement is about how owners of small dogs deal with socializing their pups. Everyone agrees it is much easier to pick up 10 pounder than 40# so any time issue presents whether real or imaginary, people tend to pick up their pups and thus contribute to so called small dog syndrome, preventing small pup from developing self confidence or compounding their developing fears, anxiety and reactivity. Sitting in high places and looking down on everything is good way to add to dominant yappy dog many of them become. Having Che at 40# and Leo at 11# I can clearly say what Leo is getting away with is unbelievable compare to what would have happen if Che presented same behavior. Because Leo small and fluffy, his Cuteness and Adorability factor is thru the roof, but in reality I have a future bully of the world with bad manners growing:lol: When tiny cute Leo growled and lunged at German Shepard most people surrounding us were smiling and thinking it was cute and I was thinking to myself "oh horrors, I am growing a rude and pushy dog" and was embarrased:uhoh:
 
Unless, maybe, I smacked the rude dog on the head with the tuggy and then gave the owner a smack for good measure.) Does my dog "learn" anything by my standing by when there's an oncoming aggressive dog? Sure - he learns to be fearful!

Lol - smacking the owner on the head, now there's a thought.

Dogs aren't children. They aren't going to grow up some day and negotiate job offers and pay bills. They rely on us to make the right decisions for them from start to finish.

I like that - they do rely on us to make the right decisions.

My hackles were also raised when the first speaker said 'yappy little dogs have leash aggression' before she went on to discuss not picking them up! Maybe she should ask the owners why their dogs are barking - my 'yappy little dog' barks at other dogs because she is scared. In the meantime her BC kept barking for treats, which she kept giving.

I must admit I rarely pick up Deska, but he is 11.5kg and ordering on a 'medium-sized' dog. When a bounding lab comes up to him he can stand up for himself, but at 6kg Tully will just get squished. Plus its easier for me to step in with Deska on the ground because he is bigger, if I stepped in with Tully on the ground my face would be too close to the other dog's mouth.

I would love to know who came up with this theory of not picking up small dogs.
 
I have, on occasion, picked up two of mine -- one in each arm. And they weigh 20 lbs. Having been on the receiving end of a large, unknown dog running at us, why would I take a chance on what might happen? I would do it again in a minute, under any circumstances.

Now I carry pepper spray, which I would use without a moment's hesitation.
 
I have to say I do and will pick my dogs up if I felt the need. Jazz, my 33lb(solid)JRT mix, was attacked 2 times by strange dogs and believe me she could handle herself and did not need me to fight her battles. She was not the loser in the battle either time and those dogs wondered what the heck they had gotten themselves into. But with those 2 attacks she developed a I'll get them before they get me attitude. It took a long time to work though that so she would ignore other dogs again. I picked her up after the 2nd attack because I didn't want all my hard work undone. I would tell Jazz with my attitude and my actions , I got it , I will protect you and she would relax. Even now I carry my puppies around stores for months until they are old enough to walk around on their own. I do not think that teaches them to be wimpy or to be yappy.

I think alot of small dog syndrome occurs because alot of small dogs owners do not treat their dogs like dogs. They don't teach them is littlest bit of obedience , they don't know how to sit or down or even walk on a leash. They are treated as dolls not dogs and that not being picked up creates the issues. I see it everyday. Also people don't seem to think little dogs who bite will harm anyone. So again they don't train and let them get away with such behaviors that in a 90lbs would be dangerous. It is the lack of training not picking them up in my mind that causes the problems.
 
I agree very much with many people who have weighed in--especially Tofupup and Hopeshelties.

I think the key lies in the situation. Who is the dog? What is the behavior? Where is the fear coming from?

Lexi does not really like dogs outside of her pack. She has been socialized, and just prefers to be left alone. I have had her meet other dogs many times, but was fooled a couple times by people saying that their dogs are friendly and good with small dogs...the dogs would overwhelm Lexi and she was obviously scared. A fight was not coming--but I thought it was in my best interest to remove her from the situation.

In fact, it happened today at our agility trial. We were playing in the back fence when someone let their dog in who immediately beelined for Lexi and cornered her. I just picked her up and walked out. The dog was just saying hello and wanting to play, but I know that Lexi is very uncomfortable with that. We rent right over to Pati Mah's dog (big border collie) and Lexi met him and bowed to him and forgot all about the previous incident.
 
I generally like my dogs to be dogs and walk on their own feet and manage things on their own, but they are my kids afterall, and I am their mother hen. Like others have said before, they look to us for guidance and protection (and I think that's how it should be).

I have no qualms picking my dogs up if I need to get them out of harms way. I don't think that hurts their confidence at all. On the contrary, I think if I don't carry them and let a potentially dangerous scenario act out, they could be scarred for life.

Heck, my mum still tells me to look for traffic before crossing the road and I'm 30 now. I'm sure if she could still pick me up when we cross a major road, she would. :lol:
 
Dogs aren't children. They aren't going to grow up some day and negotiate job offers and pay bills. They rely on us to make the right decisions for them from start to finish.

What??? :eek2: I was counting on Layla to take care of me in my old age!
 
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