Teaching come front

I disagree, great in theroy but it doesn't translate to real time ring behavior.

I always teach proper position right from the beginning in a stationary position and than add movement. Justice had beautiful front for years but it is hard to maintain with time. It is hard to maintain the perfection 100% of the time. Remember you can't correct or reposition in the ring or even tell them they are right. So they do it slightly wrong once it will occur again.

Behavior eroding during competition highly dependent on handler's attention to details and consistency during training vs. trial. We had discussion about what one is willing to let go on agility thread recently. I hear some people can loose behavior in one weekend of trialing:ick
I do not know about research of strenght of various training methods due to eroding during competition.
Another reason why behavior will erode is behavior drift, i.e. the close behavior to instinctive the faster it erodes.
So there is need for maintenance of behavior through its life no matter which method was used. Advantage of errorless method- it is taught in components so there is no need to rehearse entire behavior over and over again. For example teeter taught as about 15 different parts/ games. So lets say something happened during trial and brilliant teeter performance detiorated. You can identify that specific part that needs tuning up and fix it with minimum fuss. Another advantage it eliminates thousands of repetitions:wink2: as it does not rely on muscle memory but on understanding of the small part of the task. Teaching sessions are usually very short and fun and enouraging with high success and reinforcement so dog is very willing to learn and not inhibited in the learning process.
Errorless method is widely used now for working with humans with various learning disabilities, such as autism, mental retardation, patients with memory loss, some psychiatric disorders when retrained to entry level based jobs.
Hopefully more and more obedience teachers will be looking into learning theories to see how to improve their training.
 
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Behavior theories have never won a ribbon for me, slept on my bed, or come running to me when I call...

I train and show my dogs, they are not sports equipment and do not act like stimulus-response automatons. That would take all the joy out of it for me.
 
Behavior theories have never won a ribbon for me, slept on my bed, or come running to me when I call...

I train and show my dogs, they are not sports equipment and do not act like stimulus-response automatons. That would take all the joy out of it for me.

Well said!!
 
Behavior theories have never won a ribbon for me, slept on my bed, or come running to me when I call...

I train and show my dogs, they are not sports equipment and do not act like stimulus-response automatons. That would take all the joy out of it for me.
Ken Ramirez/ the one and only Shedd aquarium guy:biggrin2:/ says that one can teach earth worm and Harvard Graduate exactly same way- behavioral principles of learning theory are the same for humans and animals... but that is not why I am bringing up this thread


bringing up this thread because have been watching youtube and thought it was terrific way to teach fronts:biggrin2:, check it out at 1.16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZC6ELEHXrM&feature=channel&list=UL
here some really cute go outs at 12 weeks old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJRdoBrv6Lk&feature=player_embedded
 
Love that! Using an extra set of shoes as the "gutter guides"

LOL... years ago we taped 18" rulers to the soles of my tennis shoes when fading the gutter guides...! Back then I started with plastic gutter cut into 3ft. pieces, and use those for fronts.

Now I've got graduated size platforms for getting that tucked up tight front (ha! hasn't worked yet) and for the turn and sit at go out (works ok for that)

Very cute video, I would if I were her, put the reward for the sit signal in the same hand that gives the signal. But, overall an enthusiastic puppy and she's keeping it moving and fun! :clap:
 
Mmm,what is tucked up front? Is it the same as tuck sit so you want front paws not move and only back going under?
The above clip is of Marie Eguro? App actres and model, ai think she has couple of OTCH dogs and done that UD on Her dog from novice to UD in like 4months
 
I've got a rocked back sit problem, hoping the fit paws peanut, paw pods and scoot sits exercises will help, however it is hard to replace that muscle memory...
 
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