Trainers that use shock collars exist??

[ClantyreSheltie]

He had absolutely zero spark in his eyes. It was heartbreaking.

I've seen dogs like this in herding.

 

[Sharon]

Shock Collars

You are talking about methods. I am separating the action of the collar against the throat from how that action originated. My comment that all solid (non prong) collars apply the same pressure across the front of the throat when pulled is still true. I am not looking at how or why the collar gets yanked or what the training methods are. It's not relevant.

My dogs don't pull. So I can put whatever collar I wish on them, and they don't know the difference. I use martingales, and metal and nylon chokes. I have a pretty serious bias against head collars and harnesses.

I am talking about the choke in general but is doesn't matter.We are all gonna agree to disagree.My collars when my dogs wear do not yank or pull across their throats.That being said I shall say no more!!!!!

 

[Toffee's Mom]

So, if one doesn't 'need' it, why bothering to still use choke chains?

I believe in a free walk/easy walk harness, not a pulling kind, obviously...
but a newly designed one which allows a dog to control their own movement, keep their heads and body language free and in their own control, without triggering the dreaded opposition reflex.

It is especially helpful with body language and with the dog having control of their own head (movement) very important for reactive dogs!!!

 

[ClantyreSheltie]

So, if one doesn't 'need' it, why bothering to still use choke chains?

Firstly, because that is what the dogs are traditionally shown on. I don't own "obedience" flat collars, and I'd certainly look silly in the breed ring with a big ole' nylon collar on my dog.

Second, why should I have to rebuy collars because someone else is offended? The "bother" would be in having to rebuy everything.

All of my dogs have martingales with tags that they wear when travelling. They don't wear them at home, and they don't wear them at the showsite. That collar comes off, and I use an agility leash (that tightens like a choke OMG!) to take them to and from the ring and around the site. Again, why do I need to rebuy that because someone else is offended? I bought my baby agility dog some martingale agility collar/leash thing, and she shakes her head and it falls off. Good thing she's stable! She just looks at me like "mom, it fell off again".

 

[Sharon]

Shock Collars

. That collar comes off, and I use an agility leash (that tightens like a choke OMG!) to take them to and from the ring and around the site. Again, why do I need to rebuy that because someone else is offended?

The choke collar is made of metal where a slip lead is usally made of nylon or the soft rope that most are made of and it is less stressfull on the dogs neck.OMG!!!

 

[Toffee's Mom]

The choke collar is made of metal where a slip lead is usally made of nylon or the soft rope that most are made of and it is less stressfull on the dogs neck.OMG!!!

Well, most agility leads have stops to ensure that it is NOT a choke.
and nah not challenging anybody here, I admit that the show ring has weird (IMO) regulations regarding collars anyhow... lol, and cute because Toffee also does the hey should I be free of this leash? I swear he gets ready to put it back on himself, LOL

But to get back on the thread here, as many handlers as they are you're going to get as many opinions!!
So even tho most of us in this thread ACTUALLY agree on the mentioned experience, isn't it amazing how we can disagree when it comes to the details!??
SO if you are getting people who are even way more fundamentally opposed to one another than us, can you imagine how difficult it gets to try and get a meaningful debate going on much bigger differences such as punitive versus positive enforcement, because we we as human beings all get defensive, lol

 

[3Stars]

So even tho most of us in this thread ACTUALLY agree on the mentioned experience, isn't it amazing how we can disagree when it comes to the details!??
SO if you are getting people who are even way more fundamentally opposed to one another than us, can you imagine how difficult it gets to try and get a meaningful debate going on much bigger differences such as punitive versus positive enforcement, because we we as human beings all get defensive, lol

Good observation.

 

[ortegah]

I highly doubt any one of us regulars on the forum is torturing our dogs, so perhaps assuming anything about a person just because of the collar they use on their animals is just plain silly. You know what they say about opinions...

 

[Toffee's Mom]

I highly doubt any one of us regulars on the forum is torturing our dogs, so perhaps assuming anything about a person just because of the collar they use on their animals is just plain silly. You know what they say about opinions...

Nobody said anything about any one of us torturing a dog?
I believe that training with (not wearing) a choke or prong collar works on the same principle as an e collar, that's all! So, what I AM saying is that compulsion training and punitive corrections are a thing of the past, it's just taking longer than we want it to

 

[ortegah]

Nobody said anything about any one of us torturing a dog?
I believe that training with (not wearing) a choke or prong collar works on the same principle as an e collar, that's all! So, what I AM saying is that compulsion training and punitive corrections are a thing of the past, it's just taking longer than we want it to

Oh there's definitely some opinions flying around here about people's personal preference, like using a choke lead. What was originally about shock collars has now extended to any kind of leash that could possibly tighten around the neck or head.

That being said, my sister has a GSD and I couldn't see her using a regular collar and leash and actually being able to control her crazy dog. Every situation is different.