Turning dogs out of a curved tunnel

[Justicemom]

that's the same link I already posted, lol Che

I started just this weekend to learn to call his name just when he enters/is committed to the tunnel for a shallow turns towards the jump on my side, and a TOFF TOFF TOFF for a much sharper turn towards me, almost like a threadle alarm. So I would probably rear cross the tunnel 9 and call Toffee as he just got into the tunnel, to take a more shallow turn out of the tunnel to take ten...
I love how in the video his dog sometimes doesn't see him rear cross, it's a great video, I find...
I am going to have to work on RC's guys, you have NO idea how awkward I was this weekend with them, it was PATHETIC... my timing is so awful and Toff is a fairly slow dog, so it is important for me to get my timing right! lollll He is building up speed as he is getting confidence tho, and that he is getting, my Instructor sees improvement at each Seminar or workshop, so I am pleased as long as I make progress

I used to never be able to to RC with Ember because I couldn't get her to go ahead of me. I was the queen of the FC. As a result it became a self filling prophecy because I felt uncomfortable with the RC and there slowed her down with FC(not knowning) because I had to let her get away from me a bit to do the RC and that felt out of control. When I got Diva, i couldn't do a FC to save my life so I had to do RC. I got more used to using them so I started to do them with Ember. I made myself. You know what Ember sped up. The more I did them the fast she got. I am still more confortable with FC but Ember can do a pretty mean RC now.

The first way, he ran it I could do with Ember -send to the tunnel and keep her on my left and catch her coming out of the tunnel. I could also flip her to the jump out of the tunnel and RC or fc the jump before the tunnel. I could not RC the tunnel with Ember unless I was darn sure she knew I was crossing.

Diva that would be harder to push likely send her to the tunnel and then RC the tunnel and call her out of the tunnel or FC the jump in front of the tunnel and then send her.

 

[k9kreationz]

I was thinking about this more....since you labeled this "turning dogs out..." I was wondering...if I was forced to go around the A-frame in a counter-clockwise direction, catch Koji as he was exiting the tunnel and push him "out" to the jump....yeah, I'd totally and 100% fail. It'd look bad and Koji would be barking and making circles because he'd be upset that I'm not telling him where to go fast enough. We don't really have push outs as a command. Its something on my list of things to do.

For example, a woman I know would simply use switch. Others use turn or left/right. I got nothing. LOL.

Hence....why I try to run things to his strong points. Being a velcro dog. I still need to teach and work on the non-velcro things, but overall, I know him well enough to try the best thing for him first. I would just hope it'd work. As we all know, it's WAY different running than even walking/watching/looking at a course map.

I'm curious....you said you worked on it in class, for yourself, what did you end up doing? What worked best for you?

 

[Justicemom]

We don't really have push outs as a command. Its something on my list of things to do.

I discovered but accident that Ember and Justice are really good at push outs. I never taught it really in agility but in obedience as go outs or go. Which means run away from me as fast as you can in the direction my arm is pointing.

First time I told Ember get out(I had only wanted her to move out to the jump) when I was running agility she turned at ran at a 90 degree angle away from me in line with the direction my left hand was pointing(thinking it was go out) and took the closest jump she could find. Nice discovery but I need to be careful as she will run in the direction of my arm not my feet or my body which is just weird. Justice does the same thing.

 

[Sharon]

Agility

For example, a woman I know would simply use switch. Others use turn or left/right. I got nothing. LOL

I thought I was the only that used switch.I was taught switch from Joan Myers.I love it.I have heard people use it at the AKC Nationals.

 

[Toffee's Mom]

I was thinking about this more....since you labeled this "turning dogs out..." I was wondering...if I was forced to go around the A-frame in a counter-clockwise direction, catch Koji as he was exiting the tunnel and push him "out" to the jump....yeah, I'd totally and 100% fail. It'd look bad and Koji would be barking and making circles because he'd be upset that I'm not telling him where to go fast enough. We don't really have push outs as a command. Its something on my list of things to do.

For example, a woman I know would simply use switch. Others use turn or left/right. I got nothing. LOL.

Hence....why I try to run things to his strong points. Being a velcro dog. I still need to teach and work on the non-velcro things, but overall, I know him well enough to try the best thing for him first. I would just hope it'd work. As we all know, it's WAY different running than even walking/watching/looking at a course map.

I'm curious....you said you worked on it in class, for yourself, what did you end up doing? What worked best for you?

I didn't do this grid, myself, yet.
We just talked about these tricky tunnel situations at last workshop and next day I see this posted at agility nerd!

But I know how I am going to train it, it was super interesting, one of the things I argued about at first was that IF I call my dog's name as he is in the tunnel I may end up calling him out ...
But now I am training to use his full name when I rear cross at the tunnel he will know what side I will be on and make a shallow turn towards me, taking the jump... If I needed him to take a TIGHT turn and NOT take that jump to come tightly into me I would say TOFF TOFF TOFF as I rear cross.

To counter condition training I reward straight out of the tunnel intermittently with no verbal queue to ensure there is value for knowing and keeping his line!

Uhm, did that make sense?

 

[lunatic face]

I didn't read all the comments, because im in France and we're nearly ready to take off for the nations training.

I just wanted to write short, how I handle tight turns after tunnels with Face.
Face got her commands for tight turns after jumps. the same commands I use with tunnels. one for the right side, one for the left.

I use the commands when I want a pretty tight turn (she's not allowed to run straigt afte the tunnel more than a feet).

When I want a "less" tight turn, I just use her name, so she knows in which direction she has to go.

 

[k9kreationz]

I thought I was the only that used switch.I was taught switch from Joan Myers.I love it.I have heard people use it at the AKC Nationals.

I know switch is used in NADAC a lot down here. Versus your typical left/right commands. And for someone like me (directionally challenged), I definitely need one word to mean go the other direction. lol

Surprisingly, in AKC here, I rarely hear turn or switch. I tend to hear left/right a lot more.

 

[k9kreationz]

I didn't do this grid, myself, yet.
We just talked about these tricky tunnel situations at last workshop and next day I see this posted at agility nerd!

But I know how I am going to train it, it was super interesting, one of the things I argued about at first was that IF I call my dog's name as he is in the tunnel I may end up calling him out ...
But now I am training to use his full name when I rear cross at the tunnel he will know what side I will be on and make a shallow turn towards me, taking the jump... If I needed him to take a TIGHT turn and NOT take that jump to come tightly into me I would say TOFF TOFF TOFF as I rear cross.

To counter condition training I reward straight out of the tunnel intermittently with no verbal queue to ensure there is value for knowing and keeping his line!

Uhm, did that make sense?

The biggest thing to remember when calling your dog after an obstacle is to be sure they're committed. For example, if a dog is committed to the tunnel, even if you use their name, they shouldn't pull out. I was taught to watch where he was in the tunnel before calling out his name.

Besides, there was this trial, where it was a jump to a tunnel.The tunnel was mostly straight. The next jump after was almost parallel with the entrance of the tunnel, so I didn't need to run all the way to the end of the tunnel. Koji actually came back out, not because I said anything, but I think because he either heard me stop or saw me stop, even though he was already 1-2 body lengths into the tunnel. Needless to say, I was surprised.

See, you don't even need to call out their names to pull them out of the tunnels. LOL.

But seriously. I think you'll start to see when you can and can't call them. I think I could call Koji's name earlier than I used to (when he was more green). But I typically will wait still until he's halfway through.....just in case.

And the counter conditioning is good. I never thought about it, but I know for the most part, Koji will always immediately turn into the direction he thinks I was going towards when he went in. I think that has to do with my training and his velcro-ness. He's always looking for me.

 

[Sharon]

Agility

I know switch is used in NADAC a lot down here. Versus your typical left/right commands. And for someone like me (directionally challenged), I definitely need one word to mean go the other direction. lol

Surprisingly, in AKC here, I rarely hear turn or switch. I tend to hear left/right a lot more.

Switch is used here all the time in AKC.I have never heard any of the NDAC people use it in a trial here.I used it all the time in JWW with Shadow.Saved my butt alot on course.

 

[corbinam]

The biggest thing to remember when calling your dog after an obstacle is to be sure they're committed. For example, if a dog is committed to the tunnel, even if you use their name, they shouldn't pull out. I was taught to watch where he was in the tunnel before calling out his name.

I also think that sometimes we blame ourselves when a dog pulls out of a tunnel...but I don't think that's fair. If I put my dog on the a-frame and rear cross, they shouldn't turn back around and come back towards me.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen (it happens a lot!!!), but my expectation is that if my dog thinks I'm asking them to go through a tunnel, they should complete the tunnel.

But of course every dog has a different commitment point, like you mentioned, Cheryl. It's a skill that your dog should learn (if you say their name in a tunnel, they should complete it and turn and find you).