USDAA to take over APDT Rally-O

That doesn't surprise me, since I have been to a few joint trials. Where USDAA agility goes on in one ring, and Rally goes on in the other.

Same concept as AKC Rally, but I think they were there first.
 
ClantyreSheltie said:
That doesn't surprise me, since I have been to a few joint trials. Where USDAA agility goes on in one ring, and Rally goes on in the other.

Same concept as AKC Rally, but I think they were there first.
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I figured it was the same concept, just wondering if there was anything major different.

Y'know, I'd like to do Rally one day with Koji....when I can get him to heel/under control oh wait, obedient. LOL. I should start training a bit of obedience. We've slacked on that.
 
k9kreationz said:
http://www.usdaa.com/article.cfm?newsID=2155

So my question is...what is APDT Rally-O?

How is it different than AKC?
Anyone doing APDT Rally?
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APDT Rally is the Rally Obedience trials offered by the Association of Professional Dog Trainers. It has been around longer than AKC Rally and is what AKC based their Rally O on. I'm learning APDT Rally currently since my club is offering trials it starting in November. There are a few differences.

1 - They are stricter than AKC as far as precision in sits, pivots, etc., and you cannot touch the dog AT ALL. (In AKC some signs do let you touch your dog, like the Halt, Stand sign at Advanced level.)

2 - A finish (right or left) always is accompanied by a sit even if the sign doesn't state it. (In AKC, you have signs that are 'Call Front, Finish Right, Forward" where as soon as you start the finish you start moving forward before the dog is in heel. In APDT the dog has to Right Finish to a sit at heel then you continue forward.)

3 - They have something called "Married Signs" where you can have two stations together with similar properties, like a "Sit" and you can perform them together or separately.

For instance a Married combination might be a "Halt, Down" paired with "Sit, Walk Around Dog". You would come up to the sign and Halt (dog sits) do the Down then put them back into a sit and do the walk around. If the sit is crooked, you can take a partial step forward before doing the second sign to fix the sit and not loose points for a crooked sit on both stations.

4 - They have optional Bonus signs at the end of the course that are optional but if you do them you can earn an additional 10 points. You cannot loose points if you attempt them and don't succeed. You can earn partial credit.

Those are the main differences I can think of at this time.

With USDAA taking over, I'm in a quandary as to whether or not to register Edan for APDT so we can participate in our November show. This statement in the announcement "Following the transition of operations (effective December 31, 2012), registrants in Rally or USDAA Agility will be able to participate in either program without separate registrations." makes me hesitant to register him and compete in our first APDT trial. I have a USDAA Agility registration. If I can use that starting January 1, 2013, it seems silly to register for APDT in November when in 2 months my USDAA Registration will be valid.

I'm still debating it.

EDITED TO ADD: I just looked at how much it costs to register a dog to compete in APDT Rally... it's $35 and there is a $10.00 discount if the dog is spay/neutered with proof of the process being done. I know $25.00 isn't a lot of money but I'm only doing 1 APDT trial before the transition so it really doesn't make sense to me to pay it when 2 months later my USDAA registration will be usable. I think I'll just wait until 2013 to start competing in APDT which will give me time to pretty up my sits at heel and pivots a bit more.
 
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Thanks Sheri. That's what I was wondering about. I would say I haven't seen any around, but then again, I don't do USDAA enough to know what is around. lol.

As for your quandary, if it was me, a registration fee would make the difference. Also, does that mean that any titles earned in APDT won't transfer to USDAA?
 
The news release specifically said " all past APDT Rally titles and awards will be transferred to the new entity and continue to be recognized."

I'm not sure if that includes earned legs toward a title though.

I think I'm just going to wait until 2013 to start APDT/USDAA Rally. It's silly to spend $35 to compete in 1 event before the transition happens. I'm not in that much of a hurry to do yet another venue.
 
Oops. Must have missed that part. Thanks for finding it.

For $35, I'd wait too. I'd probably just help out your club and see how things work with APDT Rally and learn more about how it'll change (if at all) when USDAA takes over.
 
Ok, few cents from us. We just did first level with both boys. Yes, they will transfer all your legs and titles. Few of our people here are APDT judges so they are "in the know".
APDT rally at least on level 1 allows to reposition dog in stand/ not lifting him but gentle touch allowed/. It does allow treats at stationary signs. Puppies and veterans can get all treats they want, though I would like to see less sits for veterans. You can start pretty early with puppy and give great experience in the ring. Yes, you can pet your dog all you want but only at stationary stations i.e. same spots where you can treat with food.
You can repeat same sign 3 times and previous effort will be erased, i.e. if you about to loose 5 points for dog going down on the sit you might choose to redo and loose only 3 points this way.
There are finishes with no sits, i.e. once finish done you just continue.
Level 1 had about 20 signs courses so they not particularly easy but not difficult either. Level 2 and above are off leash. Things get pretty complicated after level 1 but they like to give tons of ribbons to beginners :biggrin2:.
You can get full signs at APDT rally site http://www.apdt.com/rally/rules/default.aspx
There is difference in people and atmosphere in my neck of woods between AKC and APDT rally, just like there is one between AKC and CPE agility.
The judge at APDT trial specifically said- " Be kind to your dog, it is you who signed up for this trial, not your dog... so be kind or else:yes:" So everything runs pretty relaxed at opposed to more formal AKC atmosphere. In my neck of woods people who do AKC are more old fashioned folks that learn their obedience by jerking leashes and pinching ears. People at APDT are far more about fun although many of them do both.
 
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