Went to a NADAC show...my observations

ortegah

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This past weekend, I entered Jordan and Maverick(my 11 year old and her dog) in a NADAC show. I did this for a few reasons. First, her confidence is really low right now in AKC because they are having a hard time with weaves. In AKC after 3 tries, you're told to move on and you can't attempt them anymore. So Maverick has been learning that all he has to do is run past them 3 times and he gets to go play some more. I entered Jordan in Tunnelers, Regular 1 and 2, Jumpers and Weavers. For non NADAC folks, Regular 1 and 2 are standard courses run one direction and then the opposite for a second time.

So Jordan and Maverick Q'd in almost all of the classes, including Weavers!

Now for my observations. None of this is meant to put down any venue at all. Just stating what I saw this weekend. I was super impressed by a lot of the handling. Most of these people could easily pull off ANY Master FAST or Gamblers(for you USDAA peeps) course. The distance that 90% of the people had was astonishing! Most people could stand in the middle and point and their dog just did what they were told. They seem to train much harder on obstacle discrimination than I know I've ever trained. Lots of people could just say "in" or "out" and the dog knew where to go. They used lots of "switch" and "go" whereas I think AKC people do more "back" and "get out". The craziest thing I saw though, was Border Collies, German Shepherds and other huge dogs jumping only 16" or 12". I saw one decent sized Sheltie jumping 8". I can't imagine running Trax at 8". He wouldn't even have to try to jump.

The biggest difference(in my very humble opinion) is that AKC and USDAA people run A LOT more! I think we use a much more hands on approach to handling. In AKC and especially in USDAA I see much more precise commands and handling. We're in their faces, giving directions and getting them to stop on a dime and twist and turn. It's definitely more fast paced and more competitive.

So when my 11 year old daughter comes on the scene at a NADAC show, she gets attention. Her handling was completely different than anyone there. She ran with Maverick and did great. Her jumpers runs were the fastest of ALL THE DOGS IN ALL THE LEVELS! On Saturday her jumpers run was 16 seconds and on Sunday it was 18 seconds. On Sunday the judge pointed her out during his briefing and said, "I especially want to thank Jordan for coming and showing with us this weekend. She's made us all look bad, but we're still happy she's here!"

Nonetheless it was a huge confidence booster for her and she feels much better now about her skills. Everybody made over how well she handled out on the field. She definitely felt great by the end of the weekend.

I have a ton of respect for these handlers and their skills! On the other side, I can see how their lack of movement causes their dogs to be much slower than they could potentially be. NADAC seems to definitely be more about skill and having fun, than being the best and fastest dog out there. So it was a nice change and we will definitely go back :biggrin2:
 
I'm so glad they had a fantastic weekend at the NADAC trial.


NADAC seems to definitely be more about skill and having fun, than being the best and fastest dog out there. So it was a nice change and we will definitely go back :biggrin2:

There really are good things to be said about all the venues out there and it basically boils down to "what are your goals". If your goals include National and World teams, then venues like CPE and NADAC aren't right for you. If you are looking for fun with your dog, they are perfect. It's one of the reasons I MUCH prefer CPE over AKC and USDAA; I'm just looking for some fun with my dog.

As for the jump height differences, part of it is where the jump heights change. Edan, for example, in AKC and USDAA measure into the 16 inch jump height since he's 14.5 inches. In CPE and NADAC, he jumps 12 inches.

NADAC may also offer a Veterans jump height allowing older dogs to lower the jumps by 1 jump height. This would also account for the lower bars. For example, the Sheltie you saw may have measured into a 12 inch jump height but, if they are a veteran (assuming NADAC has veteran rules) that would lower the bar to 8 inches.

Honestly, some of the other venues out there are FANTASTIC for older dogs who may be past their prime for AKC and USDAA but still have a lot of energy and desire to do the work.
 
I'm really happy to hear that Jordan had such a great experience. I bet she feels so good about herself.

Thanks for the write up about your experience, too. I found it very interesting.
 
As for the jump height differences, part of it is where the jump heights change. Edan, for example, in AKC and USDAA measure into the 16 inch jump height since he's 14.5 inches. In CPE and NADAC, he jumps 12 inches.

NADAC may also offer a Veterans jump height allowing older dogs to lower the jumps by 1 jump height. This would also account for the lower bars. For example, the Sheltie you saw may have measured into a 12 inch jump height but, if they are a veteran (assuming NADAC has veteran rules) that would lower the bar to 8 inches.

Honestly, some of the other venues out there are FANTASTIC for older dogs who may be past their prime for AKC and USDAA but still have a lot of energy and desire to do the work.

Nadac does offer veteran - for both dog and handler. so if the handler is also a veteran- knock the bars down another level:wink2:
and there's a preferred (skilled) level as well- so theoretically a dog could jump three heights lower than their measured jump height:winkgrin:
 
Ah yes, NADAC. Sometimes I miss it very much. :)

First, I'm glad it helped with Jordan's confidence level. I'd say that is more important for the team than ribbons. So yay on that.

Secondly, a lady I know who has that kind of distance, she gets um, I guess the word dissed will have to do, because she doesn't run with her dog in AKC very often and she still wins cuz her dog is fast. Obviously, some AKCers don't like "different" and look down on her for her handling. Now you can understand why I had distance hang-ups when I first started out (I started in NADAC). When I first ran FAST, I thought, "What a joke. Koji we can title this thing!" versus, I don't think I have ever Q'd in Chances. LOL. I wonder if I can now. Maybe. It's amazing how differently you have to handle in NADAC and AKC. It's also why I told you to keep an eye out on your handling in USDAA. LOL. USDAA is a bit more spread out than AKC, but not quite like NADAC. It's just run differently. I guess I see this because I started in NADAC. I had to completely rethink my handling when I moved to AKC cuz well, things weren't going so well, especially my RC's (no space btwn jumps, LOL).

In all honesty, I would take her to more NADAC trials. The people are always so supportive. Especially of new handlers and junior handlers. I mean, they are extremely supportive. I didn't feel that kind of support in CPE trials, but it could be because it was a much larger group. The more I trialed and got to know the people, the more they opened up and was even more supportive. It's embarrassing and nice when you get applause for finally completing a Regular course because you've been struggling and everyone sees it over and over again. LOL. Or when I walk off with Koji and people would say, "good call, you'll get there, don't worry". For me, it was reaffirming that I was doing my best and progressing.

All in all, so happy to hear Maverick finished his weaves and Jordan's confidence level went up. Two very wonderful things!!!

Side stupid note: Next time you go. See if the course (Elite level maybe? I think it's usually Regular) has a "bonus". In order to get the bonus, you have to handle the dog completely behind a line (maybe 15 feet from the edge of the ring). There's lots of rules, like, your dog always has to stay on it's path. Meaning, if you have a stopped contact and the dog turns too much towards you, he's no longer on his path and therefore, you just lost your bonus. It's absolutely amazing watching them.

Can you tell I miss NADAC and agility? LOL. Sorry for the long post.
 
Yeah I saw about the bonus points. As for people looking down on their handling, my only feeling on that was that some of these people had awesome dogs but because they are barely moving on the field, their dogs were not running at their full potential. Some of them just seemed to have their skills wasted. There were some really really good dogs that just seemed to go so slow and I know they could go faster than that.

Jordan's confidence has gone WAY up. I'll start a new post with this weekend's results :biggrin2:
 
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