What happens to puppies that doesn't get sold?

Jason, my suggestion go with the breeder and dogs you like most. You can not have guarantees for everything. Decide what are you willing to compromise. Really, breeders are just people, some of them nicer to deal with and some not so. If you like one particular situation and feel comfortable talking to that person, visited and liked adults dog.
I would not discount rescues based on what your friend told you. Sure with rescue you get a dog with established problems but those are KNOWN problems and most respected rescues will tell you everything they know about character, quirks and personal flaws dog has. With a puppy you get what you get, and many times it is what it is, some are shy, some are stupid, some fearful, some barkers, some not.
 
I adopted Callie when she was 5 yrs old from a sheltie rescue. filled out application, had the home visit, then the people who run the rescue brought her to my house. She's a gorgeous sable, had some confidence issues but I fell in love and even when they told me I had 2 weeks to change my mind- I told them it wouldn't matter. One of them told me later that she knew I was right for Callie. So a scared adult dog made me fall in love with the breed so much that 3 years later (last Jan), I got a puppy from a breeder (actually another forum member). The timing was perfect for a young puppy as I had a visiting relative who stayed with the puppy every day while I was at work for the first 2 months and got the pup house-trained. Then in Oct, the breeder was looking to place the puppy that was kept to grow out as a show dog. So I got a 10 month old puppy. We have a very happy three sheltie family- all acquired at different ages and really for different reasons. Two were essentially to be companions to dogs already here and one was just because I wanted him :winkgrin:

So don't give up on rescue yet:yes:
and sheltie puppy prices seem to vary in different areas of the country. Within a 3 state radius of where I live, I have seen $600-$900. and I know that prices seem to be higher in the north-east/central part of the US. I don't really know about out west.
FYI, I have had two dogs adopted from shelter/rescues- both have had clauses in the contract that were something to happen the dog should be returned to them.
 
"I can't tell you yet. If they turn out to be a show dog quality, then it'll be $1800. If they are not, then it'll be $1000 for female, $900 for male for a companion dog on non-breeding agreement"

This is pretty standard practice to charge more for a show dog. I have one dog on the full register (show quality) and one on limited register (pet register). I payed less for my limited register dog and he is definately fantastic pet quality - friendly, good with children, confident, affectionate - everything you would want from a companion so in my opinion he was a bargain!

I am suprised bitches cost more. I find the male shelties to be much more affectionate and great big sooks, and the females to be more independent.

I can understand your concern about what happens to all the pups. I was horrified when a boxer breeder on another forum admitted to getting the vet to put down any pups that he cannot sell. Fortunately Shelties have much smaller litters than bigger dogs, but I would also hope that people who breed a dog known for their loyalty and compassion are like their dogs.
 
I am suprised bitches cost more.

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I have been trying to understand this for years. Maybe someone can enlighten me. Only thing I could come up with is that females would be in higher demand for future breeding stock. But if it is a pet quality bitch it shouldn't matter right?

I sell my pet pups for the same price. People around here who do obedience prefer the males. Less attitude.
 
I paid $850 for Emma. If I had not got her spayed, she would have been considered a show dog and I would have had to pay an additional $2150.00. Liam would have cost about $900 or $950 ( I think) and again if I hadn't got him fixed it would have been substantially more.
 
I have been trying to understand this for years. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

The only thing I can think of is because those breeders assume you are going to breed the bitches and make money, and they want their cut early. It's only mildly less greasy than breeders who want a puppy back to sell.
 
One of the breeder (had AKC breeder of merit banner on his website) whom I've been in contact with, when asked how much his puppy would cost, answered me;

"I can't tell you yet. If they turn out to be a show dog quality, then it'll be $1800. If they are not, then it'll be $1000 for female, $900 for male for a companion dog on non-breeding agreement"

For someone who's a total beginner to hear this... what do you think he/she would react? This is not a business?

If I put myself in your shoes, I wouldn't be impressed with what that breeder said, simply because you are NOT looking for a show dog, you are looking for a pet. If you're not 100% comfortable with the breeder than x him/her off of your list. For me personally, her attitude would have put me off, I don't necessarily think he/she is a bad breeder, just not a very likeable person.

That being said, I still don't believe its a business. The breeder I got my shelties from certainly doesn't make any money from breeding, she does it because she loves shelties and breeding. When you consider the vet costs in that first 8-10 weeks its quite expensive and more often breeders break even or lose money than make money.

I can also understand charging more for a show dog that you might breed, but I don't think its right asking more money for a female than male.

I don't think that a rescue or shelter should be totally ruled out. I adopted Chase when he was 14 weeks old. He was still tiny and had puppy fluff. He had a story, not baggage. He had positive experiences, just like every other puppy would have with a responsible owner, and was socialized and is an amazing dog. He is extremely loving towards people and other animals. You can buy a puppy at 8 weeks or adopt one at 11 months but the difference in the puppy is whether or not you are willing to put in the time to make that puppy socialized and loving.

I agree with this, I wouldn't rule out a rescue dog. Often they're given up because of living situations and not always because of behavioral issues.

A rescue will genuinely want that dog to be a good fit with your family and will help you to match a dog's personality with your family. And if for whatever reason it isn't working out, they'll gladly accept that dog back and usually give you your money back or help you to chose another dog (They usually give you two to three months to decide if things are working out).

I've had my rescue Toby for 7 months now. I'll admit, he's been a challenge as he did come with issues that I don't believe the rescue knew the extent of (He's extremely sensitive of city noises, but the person who fostered him didn't live in the city so didn't see the degree of his anxiety). The rescue was very clear that I shouldn't hesitate to bring him back if things weren't working out (His foster mom loved him so much she said she'd keep him if he came back), but chose not to. I specifically wanted a dog that I could train and while Toby was definitely more than I bargained for, he's a wonderful, goofy, cuddly, loving boy that I wouldn't give up for the world.

I'd also like to mention that Toby's foster mom has been extremely supportive and gave me some great suggestions to manage him, so that something else to consider when buying from a rescue, you have a resource that cares about the rescue dog enough to help you with him/her.
 
I can also understand charging more for a show dog that you might breed, but I don't think its right asking more money for a female than male.

For some reason, there is a higher demand for female dogs than male dogs. It is a breeders way of incentive to get people to consider males as their companion dogs.
 
For some reason, there is a higher demand for female dogs than male dogs. It is a breeders way of incentive to get people to consider males as their companion dogs.

Sorry, I left out the end of that sentence, I meant to say "I can also understand charging more for a show dog that you might breed, but I don't think its right asking more money for a female than male that is pet quality and not going to be bred."

For pet quality dogs, I've not heard that females are easier to home than males.
 
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