What's with Carrying Dogs Off Courses???

Pulling Dogs off a course

ortegah said:
Not saying she's right, but look at it this way. I pull Trax if he breaks his stay. If he breaks his stay we NQ 99% of the time. So I can waste $25 on one or two runs and get him to learn, or we can waste $250 for the last 10 runs that he broke his stay. Same with contacts. If your dog bails off of a contact, you've already NQ'd. You can teach them that it's unacceptable by pulling them off the course , or you can reward them for their wrong behavior by letting them run the rest of the course. I'd rather teach them the first time rather than reinforcing the bad behavior and spending years trying to fix it.

Take a wild guess why Trax is almost 7 years old and just recently got his MX and MXJ. I let him get away with it for TWO YEARS and literally went over 9 months without a Q. I started pulling him off the course and it took two or three times pulling him off the course before Trax stopped bailing and self releasing. So what's $75 versus around $720 I wasted?
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I don't believe dogs know why they are being pulled off a course for.We are all gonna agree to disagree.Agility is about having fun and bonding with your dog so anyone pulling a dog off to me is just punishing a dog and they have no clue.JMO
 
Sharon said:
I don't believe dogs know why they are being pulled off a course for.We are all gonna agree to disagree.Agility is about having fun and bonding with your dog so anyone pulling a dog off to me is just punishing a dog and they have no clue.JMO
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Speak for your own dog then :biggrin2:

Trax most certainly knows the difference between show and practice and what's acceptable in each situation. If he didn't, it wouldn't have fixed the problem almost immediately.
 
Carrying your dogs off

ortegah said:
Speak for your own dog then :biggrin2:

Trax most certainly knows the difference between show and practice and what's acceptable in each situation. If he didn't, it wouldn't have fixed the problem almost immediately.
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Nope all dogs!!Like I said we are all gonna agree to disagree.Maybe the training or handling just saying.I am not saying anymore on the subject.
 
Sharon said:
I don't believe dogs know why they are being pulled off a course for.We are all gonna agree to disagree.Agility is about having fun and bonding with your dog so anyone pulling a dog off to me is just punishing a dog and they have no clue.JMO
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Sure they do, dogs aren't stupid. But it only works if it is done *immediately* after the infraction happened. It's not any different than telling your dog "No" or "whatever negative marker word you use" when they do something incorrect. If the dog breaks it's stay, then doesn't get to run, I think that's a perfectly acceptable thing to have happen.

But once the dog goes over two or three jumps, the opportunity is lost.
 
ClantyreSheltie said:
Sure they do, dogs aren't stupid. But it only works if it is done *immediately* after the infraction happened. It's not any different than telling your dog "No" or "whatever negative marker word you use" when they do something incorrect. If the dog breaks it's stay, then doesn't get to run, I think that's a perfectly acceptable thing to have happen.

But once the dog goes over two or three jumps, the opportunity is lost.
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Exactly :yes:
 
Sharon said:
I still say dogs do not know why they are being walked off.That was a lot of dogs being walked off for a trial.I saw an AKC judge get mad at his dog at a USDAA and took his dog out and beat the crap out of him and he was spoken to and asked to leave the trial and this same judge at an AKC trial he got mad at the dog and when the dog did something wrong in the ring the dog would not come to him.That sickens me.:gaah
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Is that guy still a judge? Sure hope not. I hope he was reported to Powers That Be and kicked out.

I wouldn't go to the guy either, except to punch him in the face. :mad:
 
Walking dogs off course

celloyogi said:
Is that guy still a judge? Sure hope not. I hope he was reported to Powers That Be and kicked out.

I wouldn't go to the guy either, except to punch him in the face. :mad:
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Yes, he is and I won't show under him at all.I can't say his name tho.
 
Personally, I disagree with that practice as well. I wouldn't carry off my dog.
I understand to stop and not to continue a course, but would not carry mine off in shame. This stuff just doesn't work for me, but hey if it makes others feel good. I would be worried that it turns out to me my error and not that the dog patterned on something wrong. I rather err on the side of caution that it was probably handler error and not diminish my dog's spirit, even if he could handle that... which he can't
 
Toffee's Mom said:
Personally, I disagree with that practice as well. I wouldn't carry off my dog.
I understand to stop and not to continue a course, but would not carry mine off in shame. This stuff just doesn't work for me, but hey if it makes others feel good. I would be worried that it turns out to me my error and not that the dog patterned on something wrong. I rather err on the side of caution that it was probably handler error and not diminish my dog's spirit, even if he could handle that... which he can't
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Well that's the difference though. And it's hard to think of Shelties without thinking of how fragile they can be emotionally. I got lucky with Trax though. He's about as hard and tough of a Sheltie as you can possibly get.

Of course, we all have to remember that every dog is different and what works for one, may sound barbaric to another.
 
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