Why compete?

Why do I do it?

Like everyone else said, to see where I am with my training and what skills we need to improve or add to our "bucket of tricks". I use trials as a measuring stick for my skills. Each level I advance in a particular venue adds different challenges.

It also helps me identify skills I didn't know I needed.

Edan is my first agility dog so when I started training I didn't know a thing about the sport. As I've advanced through the sport I learned I needed to train distance, the concept of layering, obstacle discrimination, obstacle independence (which I'm still trying to get on the weaves), timing of commands and cues. Sure, some of this might come up in training but not necessarily.

Training is also a fairly sterile environment compared to a trial environment. Just because a dog can perform in training doesn't mean they truly knows the job. A dog doesn't necessarily generalize well so presenting differently built obstacles in a different building, or outdoors, can throw a dog a curve ball they don't know how to handle.

Even if the dog does know their job, the handler is different - more nervous/anxious, unsure, etc. - which the dog can also feed off of. Part of trialing is learning to control and conquer this so you can be a successful team.

It really is a competition, but it's competition against yourself moreso than against the others. It's you and your dog + all your emotional stress against the clock. How well you do depends on your training plus how well you control an environment that is mostly out of your control.

So, all that said, the TL;DR (too long; didn't read) version of this is - because it's a fun set of challenges.
 
I compete because being a triathlete I am compedative by nature, for me trails are like the races I enter. Its a way to judge how all the training and effort that we put into training is paying off or if its not and where we need to improve and what to work on. Like trathlons I am not out there to really compete against the other entrants, but to compete against ourselves I couldn't care less if we Q or finish dead last although a Q is always NICE :) .
Its about doing better then last time out.
Its to see if we can really do that Chute this time with no hesitation or will he do that tight wraparound that we have been practicing, will Storm do that 15 ft gamble out to the weaves and load right on her own that we practiced and practiced till we were blue in the face or spot that contact every, every time under the stress of the compedative arena , because make no dought doing something at practice and doing it in a trial situation and atmosphere are two totaly differant animals for both dog and handler, the dogs know it's not the same as practice , competing at trials are really just proofing for all of our training efforts together.
 
This is how it went for me....

At the beginning: something to help burn energy, give Koji something to do, learn some training, etc.

At my first seminar: overload, but awesome info

At the first trial: fun fun fun!!

At the second trial: oh no, I'm addicted already. I want to win win win!

At the next handful of trials: win win win, Q Q Q, ribbon ribbon ribbons!

At my second seminar: I love seminar's, you always learn something new.

Trialing after a year: We are doing awesome!! Q's galore. Titles galore. We are awesome!!!

Trialing after 2 years: Got some issues. Koji has really become confident out there on the course, awesome for his self-esteem, bad for contacts. Time to retrain.

Trialing now is to test what I have taught him. Is it intact? Do we need more work? Well, shoots, we ALWAYS need more work. I am a very competitive person, but alas, I was giving up all his training to Q and get that darn ribbon. I finally had to take a step back, reevaluate my goals and needs of this sport. And with that, I had to take a HUGE step back and stop competing and focus on training again (mostly contacts, but a little of everything). I probably have trialed 6 times in the past year. And at none of them did I expect a Q (okay, maybe in Jumpers, but that's it). And when I have hoped or expected one, I never got it. I have been humbled by the lack of Q's. And it makes me work harder on my training.

At this point, I no longer care if I trial. We have bigger things to worry about (training). It's amazing how your view on trialing can change. Oh, and I'm no longer competitive about it either. I run for us and us alone. Not for Q's, not for points. Just us.
 
The thread title was "Why compete?"
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Are we really competing?
Is everyone else there to compete also?
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Unless at a Regional/National/International event, I estimate at local trials there's maybe a dozen real competitors there tops. The other 200-300 teams aren't truly competitive, that's one reason why I asked.
Since there are a number of classes, and 20"/22" seems to be the most competitive; if you happen to be in one of the other classes, which is likely with a sheltie you might be lucky if there is one true competitor in your class.
So, if you "win" 1st Place but the others weren't really competing what did you really win?

Even in some Regional events, some classes aren't that competitive unless you are in that 22" height class.

So if we aren't often competing there has to be some other driver for participating.
 
Since there are a number of classes, and 20"/22" seems to be the most competitive; if you happen to be in one of the other classes, which is likely with a sheltie you might be lucky if there is one true competitor in your class.
So, if you "win" 1st Place but the others weren't really competing what did you really win?

Even in some Regional events, some classes aren't that competitive unless you are in that 22" height class.

So if we aren't often competing there has to be some other driver for participating.

I'm going to take the idea of testing my training level out of the picture and just address what you define in what I quoted above.
If you want to define "Compete" that way this would be my answer...

When I run in CPE, I'm often one of the only dogs at my level in my jump height. Sometimes there are 1 or 2 others but not in every class.

Honestly, for me it's not about competing against the others there. I don't really care about placing; though it's nice to do so. In the venues I run in, you don't need to place in order to earn your title, you just need the Q's. Earning a Q is you and your training against the clock.

Even in CPE's points based games (where you have to choose your own path around the course to earn a number of points required by your level to Q) I don't worry about placing. I go in, get the points I need and get out. Some of the games, like Jackpot and Snooker, are hard enough to Q in without adding a concern about placement into the mix.
 
Why Compete

Unless at a Regional/National/International event, I estimate at local trials there's maybe a dozen real competitors there tops. The other 200-300 teams aren't truly competitive, that's one reason why I asked.
Since there are a number of classes, and 20"/22" seems to be the most competitive; if you happen to be in one of the other classes, which is likely with a sheltie you might be lucky if there is one true competitor in your class.
So, if you "win" 1st Place but the others weren't really competing what did you really win?

Even in some Regional events, some classes aren't that competitive unless you are in that 22" height class.

So if we aren't often competing there has to be some other driver for participating.

Sealtainn the mystery man!!You need to come to New England because everyone here is competitive in all jump heights!!Some of the top dogs in the country are in New England.
 
Unless at a Regional/National/International event, I estimate at local trials there's maybe a dozen real competitors there tops. The other 200-300 teams aren't truly competitive, that's one reason why I asked.
Since there are a number of classes, and 20"/22" seems to be the most competitive; if you happen to be in one of the other classes, which is likely with a sheltie you might be lucky if there is one true competitor in your class.
So, if you "win" 1st Place but the others weren't really competing what did you really win?

Even in some Regional events, some classes aren't that competitive unless you are in that 22" height class.

So if we aren't often competing there has to be some other driver for participating.

I guess I'm more inclusive in my definition of "competing" - if anyone is trialing, I consider them to be competing. As you can see from my initial answer, I don't really care how I do against other dogs; I care more about how I do against my own performance measuring stick. Today I ran 2 CKC trials - 4 runs, 4 very high scores, 4 Qs, 4 first place finishes. However, I wasn't happy with three of the four runs - it didn't matter to me whether or not I got the Q or the first place, three of the four runs didn't demonstrate the partnership I strive for when competing with my dogs. So, to answer your question, I "won" first place, but whether or not others were "competing", what I really won is a new set of goals, a greater awareness of what I need to do for our partnership to succeed, a renewed focus for tomorrow, an appreciation towards my dog for trying so hard even when things weren't as smooth as he likes, and a sense of gratitude that our last run flowed so beautifully - it was a great way to end the day. :smile2:
 
Why Compete

I guess I'm more inclusive in my definition of "competing" - if anyone is trialing, I consider them to be competing. As you can see from my initial answer, I don't really care how I do against other dogs; I care more about how I do against my own performance measuring stick. Today I ran 2 CKC trials - 4 runs, 4 very high scores, 4 Qs, 4 first place finishes. However, I wasn't happy with three of the four runs - it didn't matter to me whether or not I got the Q or the first place, three of the four runs didn't demonstrate the partnership I strive for when competing with my dogs. So, to answer your question, I "won" first place, but whether or not others were "competing", what I really won is a new set of goals, a greater awareness of what I need to do for our partnership to succeed, a renewed focus for tomorrow, an appreciation towards my dog for trying so hard even when things weren't as smooth as he likes, and a sense of gratitude that our last run flowed so beautifully - it was a great way to end the day. :smile2:

Vey well said!!
 
Unless at a Regional/National/International event, I estimate at local trials there's maybe a dozen real competitors there tops. The other 200-300 teams aren't truly competitive, that's one reason why I asked.
Since there are a number of classes, and 20"/22" seems to be the most competitive; if you happen to be in one of the other classes, which is likely with a sheltie you might be lucky if there is one true competitor in your class.
So, if you "win" 1st Place but the others weren't really competing what did you really win?

Even in some Regional events, some classes aren't that competitive unless you are in that 22" height class.

So if we aren't often competing there has to be some other driver for participating.

IMHO, in the beginning, I was competing. I was competing for first place. I was competing against a fellow handler because she always beat me, so I always came in second. I wanted to win and I wanted win big. When I moved to AKC, there were so many dogs faster than me that I realized I would never place. And my competitive nature didn't like that. Didn't like that one bit. Basically, I started getting depressed about competing. I had to change my attitude, quit agility, or find a new dog. I chose to change my attitude.

So, I would think that most people who don't place consistently probably had to learn to stop competing or else go crazy or buy a new dog. And keep buying them until they get a competitive worthy dog.

"Competitive" doesn't necessarily have to mean "top dog" and "competing" doesn't have to mean "competitive".

Just my two cents.
 
I am very competitive. A big part of why I do agility is my competitive nature, and I love to compete. Competition makes me a better handler and trainer. I am a person who tracks my yps and analyzes mine and the competitions. I want to see if we are improving, and push myself and my dogs to improve. If we aren't placing as well as I would like and achieving the type of yps we should, it is time to go home and work harder to get the results I want. I'm greatful for when I have someone to video so if we don't do as well as I had hoped I can go back over the run and find where we went wrong. The way I am and the people who compete in this area have pushed me to be better by being tough competitors and making me have to step it up.
This IS a competitive area for 12-16" dogs. We have around here both of the Cranks, Jean and Joel LaValley, sometimes Joan Meyer, Laura Fearn, Mike Padgett, Robing Swander with Himarks First Americas Most Wanted, Rick Mullen with KJs Fast Break (not known outside our area but extrmely fast), and many of the Cranks better students. So yes, we have plenty of more competitive dogs and people around here.
 
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