2x2 weaves - where am I going wrong?

It's a matter of working it every day in short sessions, leaving the dog eager for more!

He is certainly eager for more - I have to pick him up and carry him inside otherwise he won't come back into the house!:lol: I think it's actually harder having a dog that is so keen because the temptation is to carry on for a little bit longer. I was quick to pick up on Revel getting fed up but Yogi and Epic would go on for ages so I try and do my training when I have limited time (before work or picking up Jessica) then I can't carry on! So much for self discpline!:rolleyes2:
 
Don't feel bad--you guys are doing really well! I think the first thing I noted about this method is that it's nowhere near as simple as SG makes it sound. She says it can be done in how many days? I think I was on day 4 for about 4 days! :lol:
 
Don't feel bad--you guys are doing really well! I think the first thing I noted about this method is that it's nowhere near as simple as SG makes it sound. She says it can be done in how many days? I think I was on day 4 for about 4 days! :lol:

12 poles in 12 days:winkgrin:
 
I don't know anything about weave poles, so have no advice to offer. But I just wanted to say that the advice in here is fantastic and that you are making amazing progress. I'm looking forward to learning more about how you get on with this. Hoping the weather holds for you too. :)
 
Don't feel bad--you guys are doing really well! I think the first thing I noted about this method is that it's nowhere near as simple as SG makes it sound. She says it can be done in how many days? I think I was on day 4 for about 4 days! :lol:

Here is something that people may not be aware
for those who does have SG DVD's my best suggestion to watch it couple times before starting and do EXACTLY what she says. SG gives PRECISION word new definition.
If she put toy here and then moved, there is reason for it, if she stood there but now here, there is reason for it, really every small detail counts...
That what we do on Puppypeaks where SG posts her training clips- watch first time general, second time her hands, third time the dog, forth time directions... you get the meaning:lol:
I think she trained weaves with Swagger in 4 days :rolleyes2:
here is post from Daisy Peel I like on the idea of precision
http://www.daisypeel.com/blog/no-more-advanced-training/
 
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Unfortunatly I don't have the DVD at the moment, it's not that easy to get here and seems to be quite expensive so I will need to save up, but I know you are right SheltieChe about being precise from top obedience trainers. Nothing is done without a reason and they are very aware of how the slightest thing affects the dogs performance....
Great except that I obviously am lacking in some department because as soon as I think about one thing eg where my feet are going then something else goes to pot like body posture. Hence the chances of competing in the Crufts Obedience Championships are remote!! I have tried (with obedience) to make some parts second nature and spent many evenings at work when I was starting out walking along the lines of floor tiles practicing footwork (whn no one was looking) and recently I went out by myself to practice throwing Epic's toy in the right place...more or less! Hey ho!:rolleyes2:
But I do also agree that there is a lot to watch for in the vidoes and I have watched the same ones on Youtube over and over looking at the handler/dog/toy etc to try and get it 'right'.

I'm delighted to report our lesson on saturday was brilliant!! I had so much fun I was :biggrin2: all the way home and Epic is in his element. He is very fast though and I struggle to keep up so will have to work at running/control/direction over the coming weeks. I didn't know what he would do with the weaves in a strange place but after a couple of errors he was able to show he was capable of doing the four poles as at home (better actually!?) then my instructor made it harder by reducing the angle and he nailed it then she broght them closer still and again, sucess (not without error mainly due to him being over-enthusiastic!). But I was pleased to see he is now focussing on the poles, not the toy as he was at first and running out purposfully for them without looking back. Seeing progress like this is in itself very encouraging (positive reinforcement for me) as I didn't think we would ever get the hang of it to start with.
I had a chat to my instructor about 2x2s because she is currently training her collie this way and interestingly we both found that having the two sets 15ft apart to start with appeared to be harder for the dog to make the connection between them (i.e. to keep on going) and we both found playing/rewarding after the first set initially to be rather counterproductive as then the dogs expects it and gets confused. She has the DVD but I forgot to ask her why Susan Garrett suggests doing this? I like to know the reason for things:wink2:

I must say too that it's great being able to watch videos of training (I couldn't learn this from a book) but it is really wonderful having the support on here and being able to talk(write) through problems. Dog training can be quite a lonely occupation and it's easy to get discouraged when things go wrong but when you can share it with people who understand and can offer advice it really helps.

Can't wait for our lesson next week but I have another environmental issue with training at home because now my weave poles are frozen into the ground!!
 
oh that is AWESOME, way to go impressing your Mom, Mr Seashel!

I never put my set of weaves THAT far apart, I imagine it is to drive ahead independently? So, I was taught it was dependent on the dog's stride etc, etc... so I prob did 8 feet apart in the beginning
 
Great to hear you are having good time and enjoying learning.
You are not alone, many people have had roadblocks with weave teaching even having DVD at their disposal.
Maybe you can borrow DVD from your trainer? Here is US we also have online rentals where you can rent it too. Am thinking that often what you see on various youtube clips is variations of people interpreting the method...
I do not remember reason why it was important to have 15 ft distance though... I believe SG does describe method first in her Shaping success book, will have a look.
 
Thank you, it would be interesting to know.:smile2:

We had a brief session today which I didn't have time to film but I tried with the poles closer together as per saturday and for the first time I could really see him thinking about what he was doing after the initial enthusiastic rushes did not get a reward. It did slow him down and I could almost see him scratching his head and thinking:
"If I go through here - is it right? No. Hmmm. What about this? Yes! Try again, no that wasn't right was it...but THIS is what gets me my toy!" :biggrin2:

Fascinating to watch and once he had it figured out the speed came back and with better accuracy :cool:

I tried doing without the clicker today and relying solely on the reward but found it made him frustrated as he was not getting enough information about what he should be doing. Once I got the clicker out again he immediatly became more confident. :smile2:

I have noticed how well he seems to do things during our lessons, even if he's not tried it before. I have a feeling he might be trying to impress Gypsy, his tricolour sheltie training partner!! :lol:

(If he is, it isn't working because she thinks he's a brash young whippersnapper!!)
 
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