Bad weekend leads to chiro and new trainers??

Sounds like you have a great plan for the new year that will keep you on track toward achieving your goals for Koji.

Sounds like you too have a plan. :) After not working with Koji once over the break, and then seeing him run almost perfectly in class, I realized that maybe he needs a break too. lol. We train, we trial. Like you, I was tired of trying to fix things at trials. I shouldn't have to. I should be able to fix/work on them in class. And because I wasn't able to.....or felt I wasn't getting the instruction/support I needed, I had to finally decide to find others.

I still haven't decided if I should completely move on yet or not. I still have to talk to the trainer. It's hard when you work the same hours they do, lol.

Can't wait to hear about your trials in March then. I expect good things and great contacts (right?!).
 
Update on trainer #1

Just got home not too long ago from my first training session with someone new. I have to say, it was an experience, that's for sure. The one thing I absolutely loved...is that her field was the best I have ever run on. It's grass, but not too fluffy, not flat nor hard, and no bumps and holes. Awesome!!!

Our first run was a big joke. I don't think Koji was either looking for the jumps, or he couldn't see them. She had lights on the field, but they weren't like what you'd see at a park or school (aka not flood lights - I'm sure she's got bills).

The pros: She'd stop me mid-run when I was struggling to help me. i.e. I ran a pinwheel to weaves, but I was going to rear it. During my walk through, she said, "you're going to rear, right?" I said yes, so she said, "then you need to slow down here, take your time". Cool. When I ran it, she said, "stop, go back to the beginning (of the pinwheel) and relax, calm down, take your time". And I did. lol. She said, "a lot of times we think we have to keep up with our dogs so we're rushing". I never thought of that and yes, that's what I was doing. But didn't need to. So, she did this with every person, course. Corrected during the run, had us to parts over, or suggested something to try, etc.

More pros, we are in a huge field and are running AKC courses. I mean, she basically had two courses set up within the field. Awesome. So, these were real courses with the real distances, etc.

The cons: it's far (60 miles), so between gas and possible tolls...add on another $30 to every class. Ouch. It's outdoors, so when it gets cold or hot, we'll feel it. Or if it rains, I'm sure to a point, they'll cancel it.

Overall, I liked her teaching style. I like how she stopped me and suggested I do this or that. She said he seems like a young dog (which he is) but she sees a lot of potential in him (us) and she said he's fast. She said she's surprised that I'm having issues in Open. I should've asked her what level of courses she set up. I should ask her if she has a type of system (derrett, mecklenson, etc), since obviously I started with Derrett. She hadn't corrected most of my handling, so that was good. I tried different things as we ran to see what Koji would do. i.e. I was surprised he took this jump far out, versus coming to me. lol. Oops. I mean, good, but not good.

I explained what I'm looking for and she said I just need more handling instruction, but that we look great. And he just needs more time under his belt to get confident for distance, and perfect things (i.e. weaves, teeter, etc).

I have to say, he did his DW GREAT! And he hit his A-frame contacts perfectly. His teeter sucked as does his weaves, but she felt it was more that he just needs to learn the weaves more....meaning I need to still support his entry and line him up correctly and support him all the way to the end BEFORE I turn off or turn at all. She said, that's just something you need to slowly work on.

At this point right now, considering how late it is and I work tomorrow early, ugh, I'm debating if it'd be worth it, or if I should do something more like private lessons so I can get more out of my time with her, and the drive, etc.

Hmm........

Until Wed....when I check out trainer #2.
(btw, I have my normal training tomorrow too, Koji's getting in a LOT of practice).
 
Cheryl, that sounds really interesting. It really is too bad that it's so far away. I guess you are debating whether or not you should go there full time, for classes, or just for privates every once in a while?

I wonder if she would let you sit in/audit a class. You might get a better idea if a group class is good for you, or if you'd rather spend $90 (incl gas) on a private seminar.
 
Cheryl, that sounds really interesting. It really is too bad that it's so far away. I guess you are debating whether or not you should go there full time, for classes, or just for privates every once in a while?

I wonder if she would let you sit in/audit a class. You might get a better idea if a group class is good for you, or if you'd rather spend $90 (incl gas) on a private seminar.

Yesterday I actually did a drop-in for the class, so I experienced what a class was like. One thing that worried me was that she walks the course and shows us where we need to go. No numbers. lol. I thought for sure I'd forget, but I guess I've been doing this long enough now, I remember. ;) yay!

If I go to this trainer, I'll either do one session (5 classes) as a supplement to my regular training, quit my regular training and just go there, or do privates with her. Not sure what I want to do yet. I'm going to check out the other class on Wed (another trainer) and see how it's there too. The one thing I really like about this first one is that I'm running in a "trial" environment. Which means it's easier to proof Koji's errors on grass, in a ring, etc.

I guess at this point, it's just a matter of what I think I can get out of her. She said we ran nicely, just need to work on some things, so I can't really say if I'd get a lot of help. If that makes sense. I felt I messed up a lot of things (breaks for me as a handler isn't good, lol, it takes me awhile to get back into it). But she really said we looked great. So, I guess we're not bad. hehehe.
 
My continuing saga

Semi-update.

Tonight I have a second drop-in training with the second trainer. I am sooo tired too. This isn't going to be fun. This makes me realize that maybe I shouldn't train somewhere so far. :( I was tired last night, but it's only a 20 min drive. This should be about 1-1.5 hours tonight. Sigh. :sleepy:

Oh sorry. Anyhow. On the upside, I went to my friend's house (she does Elite NADAC with her dog and he's got 4, or was it 5 NATCH's). She's the one that'll help me with distance.

OH MY GAWD!!! The things I'm doing to make it worse. lol. Things I never thought about, like....he's doing something away, I say yay and treat him when he comes to me. Great, I'm basically teaching him to come to me. :no:

I was also told that when I'm clicking (I noticed clicker training works wonders on distance), I'm either doing it at the end of the sequence (versus when he goes out the first time) or as he's finishing up an obstacle. Need to work on my clicker timing and my handling all in the same breath.

Koji doesn't know any obstacles by name. Yikes! And I'm working on training a "switch" command to teach him to turn away from me on command. It's amazing how much we don't know. lol.

It was a 4-hour training session on Sunday, however, I admit, most of that was us humans talking (which was good, Koji got to play during that time) about training, this and that, etc. And it was time to play with the 14 week old Aussie. He's so cute!!! And fluffy!!! AND BIG!!! He outweighs Koji, but isn't as tall as him yet (probably next time I see him, he will be). This woman, my friend, she's so nice, she offered up her yard to me whenever. Will give me the gate code and everything. Wow.

Anyhow. It looks like we actually have a lot of foundation work we need to work on again. And I need to retrain myself so I can reinforce his distance work correctly. BTW, we were up to 10 feet of him going in circle and taking obstacles. However, many times, he'd come in, then go out again, so, obviously, 10 feet is pushing it for him right now. But at least we have 5 feet. ;) Baby steps right?

I'll write more tomorrow about my training session tonight. So glad I don't have work tomorrow. I'm so sleepy.
 
Thoughts on Second Trainer

Well, I went tonight for another drop-in training session. Another 60 mile away from me place. This place though, was two pieces of grass, kinda neatly connected using the dog walk, however, I disliked that it wasn't a full field.

So embarrassing............the trainer remembered me. She was a judge at my first AKC trial and I touched Koji (to force him to sit) and she said, "you can't touch him" and I said, "I know". I had forgotten that there's not training in the ring. She remembered!!!! :o

Anyhow, I liked their format (run twice in a row), it really helps you understand your errors the first time around. However, I disliked that she was too chatty with her other students, not really paying attention to you running, etc. Kinda like my current place (although, she seems to be working on that).

So, overall, I'll probably go with the other place, but I may save up and join a session later. Especially with the whole gas/toll issue. A $20 class turns into a $50 class. Ouch. Also, I'm not sure if I'd make it to that place on time, right after work. I'll have to see what I can do.

My biggest reason for choosing the first trainer is that she has a full field and can layout a real AKC course at the correct distance. She stands out in the field, instead of sitting or off to the side, and doesn't chat up the students during class. She's very personable, before or after. To me, that's way more professional and I feel like I'm not wasting my time.

On the upside, everyone agrees Koji is a great dog, I'm just inexperienced (him too) and we just need more training under our belt.

Decisions, decisions.
 
OH MY GAWD!!! The things I'm doing to make it worse. lol. Things I never thought about, like....he's doing something away, I say yay and treat him when he comes to me. Great, I'm basically teaching him to come to me. :no:

I was also told that when I'm clicking (I noticed clicker training works wonders on distance), I'm either doing it at the end of the sequence (versus when he goes out the first time) or as he's finishing up an obstacle. Need to work on my clicker timing and my handling all in the same breath.

Koji doesn't know any obstacles by name. Yikes! And I'm working on training a "switch" command to teach him to turn away from me on command. It's amazing how much we don't know. lol.

Cheryl, honestly, this doesn't sound like anything unusual when you start adding more detail to their performance on a field.

When I started working on distance with Edan over 2 years ago I also learned very quickly that (1) his obstacle recognition was shaky - I thought it was good; (2) he wouldn't work contact obstacles and weaves independently - we've improved the contacts (still perfecting/proofing), still working on the weaves; (3) I needed to learn how to effectively communicate what I wanted while he was working away from me - still improving this but its 110% better than it was 6 months ago.

Anyhow. It looks like we actually have a lot of foundation work we need to work on again. And I need to retrain myself so I can reinforce his distance work correctly. BTW, we were up to 10 feet of him going in circle and taking obstacles. However, many times, he'd come in, then go out again, so, obviously, 10 feet is pushing it for him right now. But at least we have 5 feet. ;) Baby steps right?

I looked at it as 'OK, I have a good foundation. He's a good jumper, he's good on contacts and has fantastic weaves & weave entries. Now we take that foundation and push the limits.' THAT is where you are, pushing the limits of your core foundation, that basic obstacle performance.

You are starting to work it to the next level. You are adding the stronger obstacle recognition. You are adding the independent obstacle performance. You are adding confidence for both yourself and Koji.

Its going to take time; took me 1.5 years to get the distance work I have with Edan. Koji will get there, and YOU will get there. As you said, baby steps. If you can video tape your training session, not for YouTube but for you personally. You can use the videos to see how things have improved between now and maybe 2 months from now, 6 months from now, etc.

I know you two can master this.
 
Its going to take time; took me 1.5 years to get the distance work I have with Edan. Koji will get there, and YOU will get there. As you said, baby steps. If you can video tape your training session, not for YouTube but for you personally. You can use the videos to see how things have improved between now and maybe 2 months from now, 6 months from now, etc.

I know you two can master this.

She's right on. And I agree about videotaping some of your sessions. If I hadn't been videotaping for the past year and posting on here, it would be really easy for me to lose sight of how much Bentley has improved.

It eases my frustration so much to come on here and read comments, and watch my videos to see the positive things that I did. It's really easy to focus on the regression or negative parts of a run--I love that I can come here and get some positive feedback (and tips, too!)
 
Cheryl, honestly, this doesn't sound like anything unusual when you start adding more detail to their performance on a field.

Honestly, I never thought about it that way. Adding more detail. I'll have to think of it like anything else. i.e. math. When we start, we start with adding numbers from 10 and below. Then more higher ones, then we add in division, etc. I guess I'm always just thinking, he should know this. lol. No clue why I think like that.

When I started working on distance with Edan over 2 years ago I also learned very quickly that (1) his obstacle recognition was shaky - I thought it was good; (2) he wouldn't work contact obstacles and weaves independently - we've improved the contacts (still perfecting/proofing), still working on the weaves; (3) I needed to learn how to effectively communicate what I wanted while he was working away from me - still improving this but its 110% better than it was 6 months ago.

Glad I'm not alone. And ohmigod talk about "independently", yeah, got none of that on the weaves. I thought I had some, but I'm realizing that I have to go at a very specific speed, at a specific distance away. lol.


Its going to take time; took me 1.5 years to get the distance work I have with Edan. Koji will get there, and YOU will get there. As you said, baby steps. If you can video tape your training session, not for YouTube but for you personally. You can use the videos to see how things have improved between now and maybe 2 months from now, 6 months from now, etc.

I know you two can master this.

Thanks for all your kind words. I'm sure we can get there too, as you said, it's just going to take time. That's kinda why I decided to take off some trialing time...to train. And to give us a break of the constant disappointment of not doing very well (I'm not even going to say "not Q", I just want a cleaner run).

I will ask DH to tape next time, maybe he can just tape bits and pieces. This is why I really would like to try and train with that one lady who has the full field. Koji ran like he does in a trial, sometimes all over the place. lol.

I appreciate the support.
 
She's right on. And I agree about videotaping some of your sessions. If I hadn't been videotaping for the past year and posting on here, it would be really easy for me to lose sight of how much Bentley has improved.

It eases my frustration so much to come on here and read comments, and watch my videos to see the positive things that I did. It's really easy to focus on the regression or negative parts of a run--I love that I can come here and get some positive feedback (and tips, too!)

So true, I love all the positive feedback, especially when I'm feeling defeated. I'm sure you understand, lol. I'm sure any of us understands. Gawd I hate being videotaped, but I will do it. And hope by the end of the year, I can say, "wow, look at us!".
 
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