Bark Collars

When you refer to a dog "shutting down" it basically means their personalities change. For example, an outgoing dog can become very withdrawn and timid. A playful dog may not want to play any more.

Spraying or shocking a dog can build fear which has to potential to result in something worse (example: snapping/biting) when the dog can no longer control the fear since they may never know when or if the unpleasant punishment will happen.


This is a great explanation of shutting down and why you do not want your dog to exhibit this behavior.

Shelties are smart. If you can teach them a redirection instead of the barking, it is a great well for them to learn a new behavior in response to the "bad" behavior.
 
I will definitely try re-direction and research the de-barking issue. PLEASE understand that my dogs are my world and the last thing I want is to hurt them or change their personalities! The bark collar has been suggested by several people including trainers at Petsmart and I just don't know what to do!!!!!!:uhoh:
 
I would never use a bark collar. I also wouldn't consider trainers at Pet Smart experts on dog behavior especially sensitive Shelties. I would ask your Husband if you had a baby that constantly cried would he get rid of the baby? Hey I have an idea why don't you get rid of him and keep the barking dogs! :lol::wink2:

Have to be honest. That's what I would do. No man comes between me and my dogs.:smile2:
 
Angie, I don't think anyone here thinks you want to do anything negative to your dog. If it didn't matter to you you wouldn't even ASK and just take the advice of John Smith on the street.

Trainers at Petsmart, and other stores, have the primary goal of selling the products the store carries. Trainers at these stores may not even be highly qualified and knowledgeable about dog behavior and especially the differences in how different breeds react to certain types of corrections.

Non-certified dog behaviorists (and that includes any trainer who hasn't studied dog behavior) and the Average Joe may only be familiar with shock, anti-bark, spray and other such collars. They may not be familiar with techniques like redirection.

The very fact that you are (1) asking for opinions from others with experience - and this forum definitely has folks with more experience than me on it and (2) CARE enough to want to try anything and everything possible for your furkids speaks volumes for you.

Don't worry, we're here to help and support you.
 
LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Even though I'm alittle stressed over my situation.....You made me laugh Dawn!!:lol: AND, yes, I have considered it. He's told me before that I LOVE them more than I do him. LOL!!! AND......I've replied..."sometimes I do!!":yes:
 
LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Even though I'm alittle stressed over my situation.....You made me laugh Dawn!!:lol: AND, yes, I have considered it. He's told me before that I LOVE them more than I do him. LOL!!! AND......I've replied..."sometimes I do!!":yes:

Glad you took it in a good way and weren't offended. I know it is a serious situation and wish I could help you. I have a Barker and Back up Singer here myself.:confused2:
 
Just another thought...How do you (and/or your hubby) react when the phone rings, doorbell rings, etc?

My parents first sheltie got progressively worse whenever the phone would ring. Yet when he came to stay with us he got better and better. We finally figured it out - my parents were inadvertently reinforcing his barking. When the phone would ring, my parents would immediately start stressing, dog would bark, dad would yell, and on it would go.

On the other hand, I hate the phone, so when it rings I just ignore it and let the answering machine get it. The first few times, Darby would bark bark bark...then he'd start to bark and look at me ...eventually he'd just look at me to see what I'd do..and when I didn't do anything...He'd just go back to sleep. :lol: Of course, all that good behaviour disappeared as soon as he went back to my folks place and the vicious cycle started all over again :rolleyes2:

Dad did resort to a shock collar. Once. He couldn't get it off the dog fast enough. He felt horrible about it for a long, long time. The last I saw of it was sitting in the garbage can :lol:

I'm lucky that what was once my barkiest dog is now mostly deaf so she doesn't bark very often. Clancy is pretty quiet, for a sheltie. I've never had any luck whatsoever with the 'quiet' command but I do teach a mean recall so that I can at least call them off of whatever they're barking at!
 
The bark collar has been suggested by several people including trainers at Petsmart and I just don't know what to do!!!!!!:uhoh:

My dog comes to work with me. I bought a citronella collar about 18 mos ago. I used it to quiet him on the rare days when he was hair-trigger sensitive to strangers / delivery people coming in the front door and I needed for him to chill. It made him miserable --- he paced and paced. Even now, the sight of it alone sends him running into his crate. I keep the collar in a drawer and will pull it out to show it to him if need be as a deterrent, but will never use it again.

The collars are expensive, as are the refill cans. I can't imagine multiple dogs wearing them simultaneously. In close proximity, the barking of one (non-debarked) dog can set off another's collar !

As others have stated, re-direction is powerful (and fun !) with these smarty-pants shelties.
 
Now I'm going to be honest and admit to using a Abistop bark collar, primarily on Yogi but Revel has worn it too. It sprays either odourless or citrus smelling spray triggered when the dog barks. I bought it some years ago on recommendation.

With Yogi, it didn't really work. He very quickly learned to bark at a lower volume which didn't trigger the spray, but if he was really determined to bark, then he carried on regardless and just ended up smelling like an air freshner! He certainly didn't 'shut down' with it on. In the end, I stopped using it on him as it was rather pointless and my friend's bearded collies didn't like the spray sound.

Revel did respond to the spray, when it was on him, but it only ever went off on a couple of occasions before he got the message. He was put out, rather than terrified by it, but is a very steady, unfazeable dog. After putting it away for a couple of years, I got it out and he certainly remembered it. I only need to put it somewhere visible to get instant quiet. In this way it is useful as I place it on the windowsill when I go out and I think it deters too much window barking. It dosn't acatually have a working battery so it won't ever go off, but the visual reminder seems to be sufficient - for Revel. However, I would NOT ever leave it on an unattended dog and I do think it has limited results. It is also pretty important to understand why the barking is occuring. Yogi's was cocky challenge barking at other dogs, Revel's was mostly excitement or bossy barking. I know of several others who have tried the spray collars with shelties and their experience was similar in that it had no real effect on persistant barkers. The pleasure of barking outweighs the negative experience of the collar. I would never ever contemplate using a shock collar.

Merlin, even at 14, barks manically when the phone rings. This is due to him being conditioned to it being a trigger for great excitement when my Uncle ran a taxi business and everyone ran to answer the phone. Sometimes, reducing the excitement can gradually stop the barking. If they are seeing you cleaning your teeth as a precursor to leaving the house then this could be why it is a triggering a bout of eager barking.

Revel is a 'bossy barker' in that he tries to organise all the other dogs on walks and dosn't like it when he feels they areout of his control (playing). He likes to carry toys in his mouth so I trained him to carry a special sponge ball, which he loved. It muffled rather than stopped the barking entirely but the 'mouth ball' did work for him.

I did manage to get the barking under control, by stage whispering 'quiet' when I saw a likely trigger (such as the postman) approaching, but this only works if the shelties are calm (ish) to begin with.

I hope you manage to find a solution to get them barking less:yes:
 
Personally, I'd go the debark route before I went to using a bark collar all the time. The debark is a one time deal. They can still bark, however softly, and aren't bothered by not having a bark as loud as it once was. They can still be a normal dog, and do what they want to do. The bark collar is going to be a constant thing and they then are being punished for barking any time they do offer to bark. For me at least, the debark is the kinder option.
And, I agree... Petsmart trainers aren't people I would consider experts in the field. Their opinion on the bark collar isn't particularly one I would value.
 
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