breeding age

First, breeding just for the sake of breeding isn't a good idea. The reason to breed should be to better the breed... not just to bring more puppies into the world.
Things to ask yourself before breeding your dog:
What reason am I wanting to breed? Money? Because puppies are cute? Bettering the breed?
Is my dog a good example of the breed standard?
Could he finish a conformation championship if he were shown?
Am I willing to do all of the testing involved to ensure I'm producing healthy puppies?
What virtues and faults does my dog have?
Do I know all of the risks involved in breeding?

Breeding is not something to be taken lightly. If you have a dog that meets the standard, and you are breeding to better the breed, you want to make sure to test both the stud and the bitch's hips, eyes, thyroid, and for vwd, at a minimum. MDR1, heart, elbows, and CEA can also be tested for. You're probably going to be looking at at least $500 in testing per dog (depending on your area).
I would also recommend NOT breeding a dog until it is 2 years old. Hips can only be prelimed prior to 2. You can not get hips permanently done until the dog is 2 years old.
Also, unless your dog was sold as a show prospect from a show breeder, it is unlikely this dog is truly breeding quality. The only way dogs are sold on full registration with no stipulations whatsoever is by backyard breeders who's goal is NOT bettering the breed/breeding to the standard. Show breeders who sell a puppy who is not show quality sell on limited registration.

I know, what I'm saying probably is not what you wanted, but it did need to be said. Breeding is not something to do just to have a litter of puppies.

I kind of cringe when I see these threads because I'm one of those non-breeders that is considering breeding my dog. It was kind of cool to see the bullet list from HopeShelties and realize that I was on the right side of each point. I'm a long ways away from making the final descision but at least I know I'm starting in the right direction. With my friend Mike to help me, I'm sure that I'll do what's best for myself, my Deja and the breed in the end.
 
I kind of cringe when I see these threads because I'm one of those non-breeders that is considering breeding my dog. It was kind of cool to see the bullet list from HopeShelties and realize that I was on the right side of each point. I'm a long ways away from making the final descision but at least I know I'm starting in the right direction. With my friend Mike to help me, I'm sure that I'll do what's best for myself, my Deja and the breed in the end.

Noone is ever saying DON"T do it, but we do caution you to investigate your motives and your breeding program.

Both my pups were from champion lines. Both my pups were going over-size and in Bacca's case cryptoid as well. Good reasons both for removing them from the program. Do, please, take that into consideration if you decide to breed. Please, please, breed to standard, get a mentor. Don't do what my dad tried to do 40 years ago.
 
Noone is ever saying DON"T do it, but we do caution you to investigate your motives and your breeding program.

Both my pups were from champion lines. Both my pups were going over-size and in Bacca's case cryptoid as well. Good reasons both for removing them from the program. Do, please, take that into consideration if you decide to breed. Please, please, breed to standard, get a mentor. Don't do what my dad tried to do 40 years ago.

You're right Barb, noone has said anything but I still worry. It's the way I am. i have a mentor that has taken me under his wings, he's been breeding for years and I would not do anything without his stamp of approval!
 
Noone is ever saying DON"T do it, but we do caution you to investigate your motives and your breeding program.

Both my pups were from champion lines. Both my pups were going over-size and in Bacca's case cryptoid as well. Good reasons both for removing them from the program. Do, please, take that into consideration if you decide to breed. Please, please, breed to standard, get a mentor. Don't do what my dad tried to do 40 years ago.


Okay you have me curious Barb, what did your dad try to do 40 years ago? If it's okay for me to ask!:uhoh:
 
Okay you have me curious Barb, what did your dad try to do 40 years ago? If it's okay for me to ask!:uhoh:

Oh no! You didnt just ask that!?! OMG..

Barb.. I'm so sorry.. she didn't mean it.. please for humanity's sake.. for all that is holy.. please forgive Susan!
 
It's actually one of those stupid funny stories, that I've already posted here but I'll give the short version here.

When I was about 5 years old or so, we got a "pure bred sheltie". My dad was so proud of owning "Scarlet Hills Calypso Miss" - we called her Callie.

Venture no. 1:

Owning a "purebred", Dad decided to sign her up for a dog show. Dad shows up with 4 kids in tow and one totally ungroomed Sheltie bitch. He took one look around at the grooming frenzie that was going on and hightailed all of us out of there!

Venture no. 2:

Well, we have this purebred bitch....time to get her bred. Dad shells out the stud fee to have her done. We all shlep up to the breeders to witness the great event. Yey! Dad is well on his way to becoming a purebred breeder! Several months later, she whelps! Whoops! Some freakin' mutt jumped the fence just before her stud event! They were awful cute, but they weren't pure!

Callie retired from her show and breeding career that night!
 
It's actually one of those stupid funny stories, that I've already posted here but I'll give the short version here.

When I was about 5 years old or so, we got a "pure bred sheltie". My dad was so proud of owning "Scarlet Hills Calypso Miss" - we called her Callie.

Venture no. 1:

Owning a "purebred", Dad decided to sign her up for a dog show. Dad shows up with 4 kids in tow and one totally ungroomed Sheltie bitch. He took one look around at the grooming frenzie that was going on and hightailed all of us out of there!

Venture no. 2:

Well, we have this purebred bitch....time to get her bred. Dad shells out the stud fee to have her done. We all shlep up to the breeders to witness the great event. Yey! Dad is well on his way to becoming a purebred breeder! Several months later, she whelps! Whoops! Some freakin' mutt jumped the fence just before her stud event! They were awful cute, but they weren't pure!

Callie retired from her show and breeding career that night!



LOL, what a great story, TY for sharing again..Being I am new here still, all the "oldie but goodie" stories are before my grand entrance, hehe.

If it wasn't for my Vet Tech's female purebred Himalayan cat getting out and "mating" with the local black cat, we wouldn't have gotten Mindy! The female was SUPPOSED to mate with another Himalayan, but she wanted nothing to do with that. Little hussy :lol:
 
Good post HopeShelties. So many of us would love to have progeny from our dogs, I'm one, but I know nothing on this and I wouldn't dare venture into it and risk the lives of little puppies. There is so much thought and effort that goes into selecting a breeding pair, then breeding them, and then whelping and raising the puppies that any mis-step could bring disasterous results. It's not just putting a male dog and female dog together! Breedig is best left to the pros, or if you really want to, make sure you know as much as possible and get the pros' help!!
 
Good post HopeShelties. So many of us would love to have progeny from our dogs.

I agree totally with what HopeShelties posted, but I too, in my heart of hearts, wish that I could have a pup from my Angy. Alas. it will never happen for many reasons, not least of all the fact that as a rescue and cannot be registered (except through the Continental Kennel Club). He is 16 1/2 inches at the shoulder, has a gay tail, his coat is not what I would wish for in a show dog and he tends to be a bit high strung and flighty, none of which qualities I would like to further but also because I am not in a position to afford the costs associated with or the knowledge needed to be a breeder.
 
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