color questions

Oh, don't get me started on the dumping of horses, yes they are large, but yes, they can be dumped too!

It's called an "auction" and I don't mean the best "select auctions" of finely bred performance horses. There are auctions that all the lame, sick, poor quality, or even just when someone bred too many horses and got overwhelmed and can't sell them get sent off to. The auctions have what they call "kill buyers" bidding on these poor guys, and as long as they can get them for less than "meat price" then they can make a profit and they get slaughtered for meat and sent to Europe where horse meat is a delicacy.

So the same thing happens in the horse breeding world, someone decides they are going to breed their mare just because it has a uterus, or because it didn't live up to it's expectations in performance, or it has too bad of a temperament to be a riding horse, or I want to try crossing this breed with this breed just to see what I get, so let's make more poor quality offspring like that so we can get our money out of her! I'll get off my "high-horse" about over-breeding horses without regard to quality now! Just so you know, it happens in the horse world all too often also. :no:
 
Baileysmom said:
I'll get off my "high-horse" about over-breeding horses without regard to quality now! Just so you know, it happens in the horse world all too often also. :no:
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I believe you. There are people with bad intentions no matter what kind of pet you've got. Bunnies, birds, hamsters, mice, fish, and cats are also at risk for these types of things I guess. Most people don't think about fish. I LOVE fish, and not just to eat. :lol: Horrible people inject fish with dyes to make them more attractive to buyers. Ever walked into a petstore and saw a "strawberry tetra" or a "blueberry tetra"? They look nice, but those poor fish are injected with dye! :no: I don't buy into the whole fish can't feel bit, either.

I just like all pets. :lol:
 
By the way spazzydog, I was not directing the irresponsible breeding as it relates to horses at you!

You have a nice looking stallion and what looks like a great breeding program!
 
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I would love to have another Mahogany tri just like Sage. But, I do not know where in the world to begin to find that color, again. It is a beautiful color arrangement and the dark back is wonderful in sunlight. I suppose another big male like Sage will happen one day.
 
Baileysmom said:
By the way spazzydog, I was not directing the irresponsible breeding as it relates to horses at you!

You have a nice looking stallion and what looks like a great breeding program!
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ty bailey...yep hes my bigger baby lol.Actually heading off to get him ready for the show tomorrow. whoopie.
 
valensage said:
I would love to have another Mahogany tri just like Sage. But, I do not know where in the world to begin to find that color, again. It is a beautiful color arrangement and the dark back is wonderful in sunlight. I suppose another big male like Sage will happen one day.
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To find another, you can start by researching breeders in your vicinity. I'm no expert in colour genes, but if there is a tendency in a lineage towards certain colours, you can expect more to come in those colour ranges.

Where do you live? There is no shortage of Mahogany sables around here.

It's funny how we all have our colour preferences. My forever pup was a Mahogany, but when it comes to sables I tend to prefer the blondes and the reds.
 
BarbV said:
To find another, you can start by researching breeders in your vicinity. I'm no expert in colour genes, but if there is a tendency in a lineage towards certain colours, you can expect more to come in those colour ranges.

Where do you live? There is no shortage of Mahogany sables around here.

It's funny how we all have our colour preferences. My forever pup was a Mahogany, but when it comes to sables I tend to prefer the blondes and the reds.
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I like all the colors but since Callie is a mahogany- I like the way it looks too :wink2:
someday, I'll have the sheltie rainbow :smile2:
 
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Barb---I guess my heart was all up in that fur on his (Sage's) body. The dark rump was coarser. There was that bristle on his rump and tail. under the mahogany brown and in the black back. The boar's bristle patch that was so visible when he was cut for summer. Yet when I brushed his hugh mane, I was always amazed how a dog could have that many colors and ranges of feel. It was good. That color arrangement was perfect......For Sage and me, he he. This is just one reason I want that color.......again.
 
In my opinion, registration has very little to do with the quality of the breeder. What DOES matter is the steps they take in ensuring that the dogs they are breeding are as healthy and stable as possible. That means, for Shelties, OFA or PENNhip for hips, CERF for eyes, testing for thyroid and vWD. No wavering, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Additional options, though not 100% necessary in my books, would be MDR1 testing and BAER for ears.

Registration, I could take or leave. But there is absolutely no excuse for breeding without health testing. MORE than the vet saying the dog is healthy. Certified x-rays, bloodwork, and genetic testing. No questions asked.

As for proof of temperament, the dog should be titled in SOMETHING. Some objective outsider's opinion that the dog is capable of obtaining certain temperamental standards. A Sheltie, whether bred for companionship, work, or sport, is an intelligent, willing, and eager dog. Whether it be CKC/AKC or otherwise, doesn't really matter. Could be certified for therapy dog work, trained and tested in herding or tracking, agility, flyball, conformation, obedience or rally-o. Heck, even a CGN/CGC is a first step. Some indication that the dog has the mental ability that a Sheltie should have.

If, on top of that, the dog is registered somewhere then it's gravy. What really matters is that the dog is PROVEN healthy and PROVEN balanced and mentally stable. Again, I reiterate that "healthy" in this case does not mean that it goes for yearly vet checks and "balanced" does not mean that the dog is only a beloved family pet. Those should be a given for ANY dog. The key is that these traits (health and temperament) are proven and documented by an objective and unbiased outside party. Anyone here would say that their own Sheltie is the sweetest and most lovely dog ever, is super smart and friendly. But it doesn't mean anything because we are all wearing our lovely rose-colored glasses and seeing our beloved pets in the best light.

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In regards to Sheltie color, check out http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/SheltieColor.html. I recently did a genetic breed study on coat color in Shelties. Above is the link to the summary of the results.
 
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