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I wouldnt worry too much about giving them more yard space. Mine only get access to a third of the yard (except at the moment the bad winds have blown the dog fence over). Mine are more likely to chase each other around the coffee table than the backyard - that's just where they go to bark at birds!
 
spazzydog said:
....The male pup i'm looking at is out of 2 regesterable shelties,bought from a breeder in the states,but the owners bred instead of spay/neuter,hence no papers.
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Ok.. I have to point out the obvious.. this right here would tell me that this breeder is dishonest and their word is no good. Personally, my advice would be to run the other way, quick. If they are dishonest to the people they purchase from, they will likely have no qualms about being dishonest to the people they sell to, just some advice there. :wink2:

If you are looking for a quailty sheltie for possibly breeding, and have a performance type dog in mind, we can help you find a good reg. one

I'll be back later to talk more


S.
 
Did I miss somewhere in this thread.....why the breeder did have papers on the puppy? I couldn't find the reason. Why do you need to buy a puppy to breed to your bitch?

Also.....most people don't decide to breed, until they see that the dog is good. So, I wouldn't plan on breeding the boy, until first you actually own him, then that he grows up with you and you can see his personality, get all his health checked out (eyes, hips, autoimmune, etc.).

In my opinion, a thread on breeding in your case is WAY jumping the gun here.
 
What a cute pup! It looks like a sable merle to me but I'm not a color expert so I will leave that up to them to tell you if it is or isn't. Very very cute though!
 
spazzydog said:
The males I'm looking at are purebred (no papers)my female as well.So AKC sanctioned shows are out.I'll be doing agility with my female,I've done the basics myself and will be enrolling in the fall session with the local training club.only thing not doing well yet is the weaves.I'm hoping to do agility with the boy as well.
As for breeding not positive.....I refuse to be a back yard breeder(though that is ultimately where it would take place as i'm not a kennel operation.)My dogs are members of my family and have a 1/2 acre fenced yard to play in,and another 5 acres non dog containing when i'm out in the fields with the horses.
I breed paint horses as well so know the importance of them bettering a breed.Though no papers is major strike rt off.
I've had many requests for puppies out of my female.From people in love with her personality and manors,These people are looking for companion animals only.Though I still would not just breed for those reasons.I would want to see how they both do in agility and obedience classes that don't require papers.As well as how he matures flaws wise.
I'm hoping this isnt where this thread turns ugly as most people horse and dog world believe only champions should breed.I believe that all people can't afford the time and money it takes to get them there and the fact that there isn't a ch in front of a dogs name will make them any less loved.
That being said I'd be getting a male raising him to see how he performs,looks etc and if not suitable off come the knackers,I will not breed for the sake of breeding.:no:
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danisgoat.....here was my reply to that on page 3....this thread wasn't even started as a breeding thread,it was a color question.I truthfully answered someones question and off it went lol.I would be getting all the health checks done as well. Im still waiting to see if anyone can tell me a good lab for the genitic testing,The lab i use doesn't do dogs yet.
 
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spazzydog said:
danisgoat.....here was my reply to that on page 3....this thread wasn't even started as a breeding thread,it was a color question.I truthfully answered someones question and off it went lol.I would be getting all the health checks done as well. Im still waiting to see if anyone can tell me a good lab for the genitic testing,The lab i use doesn't do dogs yet.
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I understand that. I was just trying to be helpful, because knowing the genetics is VERY important when you are breeding, especially with merles. And you did mention breeding, so yes, off it went :lol: These days people who are looking for companion animals do not necessarily look for champions, but rather for healthy pets.

You should make sure that your dogs are not carriers of CEA and PRA (not as common), as well as hypothyroidism. Hip x-rays are also a plus.

For thyroid testing....I use Dr. Jean Dodds Hemopet: http://www.hemopet.org/services.html
I LOVE Dr. Jean Dodds. I follow her philosophies and when you get the results she interprets everything for you very clearly.

For CEA....there is a lab in NY http://www.optigen.com/

These are in the US. I am not sure about Canada's labs or if you can send blood to the US for testing.

Your vet should have that information for you though. Most vets are familiar with genetic testing, and have labs that they use (at least the vets around here are). Maybe if your vet isn't familiar, you may want to research out another vet that can give you some more information.

Just my 2 cents :biggrin2:
 
spazzydog said:
ty danisgoat...much appreciated!I do want to get the testing done.For hips ,what is a good age to get it done?
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I believe that the minimum age to get a dogs hips checked for OFA certification is 2 years. But I would check with the OFA (Orthopedic Foundation of America) for more details on this.
 
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