Ethoxyquin revisited...again

a few reasons why i am not worried are:

dogs are not fish.. may essential oils, or even a slight chemical change like nitrates in a fish take can kill them. lets think about this for a second.... what DOESNT cause mortality in fish if you add it in the water?

every clinical study that i have seen was done on rats. it MAY possibly cause cancer in rats. well, see the thing is... rats get cancer over silly stuff. did you know that orange juice, pineapple juice, and most artificial sweeteners CAUSE cancer in rats? and most rats pampered spoiled rats die of cancer by age 2 1/2 to 3 yrs old.

Ethoxyquin (E) is required by law to be added to all fish meal. You can see this straight from the coast guards website. I wouldnt be surprised if those "better" dog food companies that said they do not use it, and their manufactures dont use it... lie. The coast guard says they must.

Ethoxyquin in dog food is wayyyy wayyy below the possibly harmful limit, and most all of it is cooked out. Dog food with fish meal known to have E in it was tested and they usually could not even find one little trace because it was cooked out, or the levels were so low it was untraceable. Even before the FDA wanted everyone to lower the level to 75 ppm most dog food companies were only using about 50 ppm in the first place. Today it is much lower than that. (let me go do some research and i will tell you how much lower, i dont remember... i am thinking like 15 ppm)

I am not trying to convince anyone to buy a dog food with Ethoxyquin in it. I think everyone should do what they are comfortable with.

Also, if you decided to do some research online... most of the articles you come across first talk about how horrible and deadly it is. dont let the first few articles startle you. keep looking at websites. call professionals. talk to people, email people.

most of those websites that talk about how deadly E is are horrible articles. They do not have any references or anything, its like someone just came up with this off their heads and passed it around like a high school rumor. There are also reports of E causing issues in dogs. these reports are basically just someone blaming E for health issues with nothing to back it up at all. It is really important to decided how credible the article you are reading is.

And chickens are fed food very highly preserved with E. That E free dog food containing chicken might every well still possibly have traces of E in it because it is very high in the food that the chickens eat.

thanks for reading! :biggrin2:
 
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i just thought it was shady that TOTW and Orijen were trying (IMO) to hide the fact that Etho was in their food. Just tell the truth even if it is just .00005 PPM ....the truth shall set you free
 
An FAQ from FROMM FAMILY FOODS:

Does your food contain ethoxyquin?



No, Fromm Family Foods recipes do not contain ethoxyquin. All of our ingredients and final products are free from artificial and industrial preservatives. Additionally we pay more for our fish, whitefish, and salmon to not be treated or preserved with ethoxyquin.

AS Ripley would say: "believe it..... or not" :wink2:
 
I could NOT agree with you more Michele! I believe we all feed our furbabes the food we feel the best about, now let's go out and enjoy our babes :wink2:



i was just throwing out some more info on Etho for anyone who is still interested... i FINALLY chose a food and am sticking with it . unless there is a problem. so I am good as far as food goes but some people have been asking me via private message where i got my info and such ...and i am more than willing to help... as you all helped me. (of course i just give my opinion and what i have learned thru research .. mostly i just give articles to read... i dont want anyone to choose a food based on what i say because i am far from an expert... i am a novice at best.)

Etho... grain free..grain.....high/ low protein..... are still questions many people want answers too. It took me a long time to chose the right food for my pup. (well what i think is the right food). Others still need to make a decision. Once you choose a food and it works for you and your pup it is like taking that monkey off your back and you can relax and enjoy your fur-friends more.

And i am going to enjoy my lil boy Snickers as soon as he wakes up from his nap. Nap time = computer time for me. :wink2: once he wakes up he is a ball of fury!!!! Usually starts out with a few zoomies thru the hall and then some fetch.
 
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Personally, I think it is more 'shady' for someone to deliberately confuse propylene glycol with ethylene glycol in an attempt to unnecessarily alarm people about having 'antifreeze' in their dog's food. - Dr. Mac
 
Personally, I think it is more 'shady' for someone to deliberately confuse propylene glycol with ethylene glycol in an attempt to unnecessarily alarm people about having 'antifreeze' in their dog's food. - Dr. Mac

I personally dont know what propylene glycol or ethylene glycol is ... It was just part of an article i posted. All my posts are from articles i have read or answers from dog food companies.. I am just trying to educate myself. And I know there are a few people still interested in learning more about Etho on this forum. That is the only reason I post more or new info on it. ( i dont know what is right and wrong). I am just giving out information i have found.


TO The Quahog: if you are implying that some people/companies use "Scare Tactics" to sway you one way or the other... I would surely agree with you.:yes::yes:
 
=I personally dont know what propylene glycol or ethylene glycol is ... It was just part of an article i posted.=
Ethoxyquin is a quinoline-based antioxidant used as a food preservative and a pesticide (under commercial names such as "Stop-Scald"). It is commonly used as a preservative in pet foods to prevent the rancidification of fats. There has been some speculation that ethoxyquin in pet foods might be responsible for multiple health problems. To date, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has only found a verifiable connection between ethoxyquin and buildup of protoporphyrin IX in the liver, as well as elevations in liver-related enzymes in some animals, but there are no known health consequences from these effects.[2] Until further evidence is reported, the FDA has asked pet food manufacturers to voluntarily limit ethoxyquin levels to 75 ppm.[2] However, most pet foods that contain ethoxyquin have never exceeded this amount.[2]

Ethoxyquin has been shown to cause mortality in fish.[3]

Ethoxyquin is also commonly used in spices to prevent color loss due to oxidation of the natural carotenoid pigments.

The FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) in 1997 requested a voluntary reduction of ethoxyquin from 150 ppm to 75 ppm in complete dog foods. The work used to make the reduction request was never published in peer reviewed journals or made readily available to public or scientific scrutiny.

I am honestly not trying to pick a fight. But if you cut and paste someone else's work , you really do need to cite your source so we know what are your own ideas and where the rest came from. - Dr. Mac
 
=I personally dont know what propylene glycol or ethylene glycol is ... It was just part of an article i posted.=


I am honestly not trying to pick a fight. But if you cut and paste someone else's work , you really do need to cite your source so we know what are your own ideas and where the rest came from. - Dr. Mac

Duly noted
 
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