Fearful sheltie question

Few quick things. Don't use a spray bottle as punishment - you'll want to use a spray bottle for grooming as he gets his full coat and the last thing you want is him to be fearful of grooming. Also, his growling is not a bad thing. It's his way of saying I don't really like this situation, he's probably given other more subtle indications that he's uncomfortable before this but they aren't being picked up. If you prevent him from giving these signs that he is uncomfortable then what's his alternative - to bite? Be his protector, when he growls let him know you'll take care of the situation, no need for him to manage it, and lead him away.

The issue with your husband being away - is that the only time it occurred? He could be going through his adolescent fear period, where things that seemed okay a week before is suddenly scary. Sorry, I don't have time to do a search for you, but I know there was a thread recently where the fear period was discussed, have a look in the behaviour section.

Nipping could be herding behaviour - just keep him on lead when the kids are running around if you don't want him to nip. As for people saying he was an awful dog - blow them. You are his protector, ignore what the nasty people say. He's still a young dog, going through adolescence, it's a tough time. He's also a herding breed and by nature they stand back and take things in, get the lay of the land and a view of the situation, not jump straight in like a Labrador. Plus people tend to crowd in and hassle a young dog, wanting to pat him and focus on him - they should just leave him be.

When your family comes to visit make sure he has a space where he can go when he needs to get away from the hustle and noise. Don't let them crowd him straight away, let him get used to them first.

Finally, don't give up. So very many dogs are dumped at this age because people just don't understand how difficult adolescence is for a dog. His brain is growing and changing, he's trying to understand his place in the world, it can be a trying time - just like it can for humans. But remember, like humans they grow out of it, and fortunately much quicker than a human. In the meantime just be understanding. And have a look through the behaviour forum - you'll notice how many threads there are by people with similar age dogs who are going through a range of adolescent angst issues - you are not alone.
 
Few quick things. Don't use a spray bottle as punishment - you'll want to use a spray bottle for grooming as he gets his full coat and the last thing you want is him to be fearful of grooming. Also, his growling is not a bad thing. It's his way of saying I don't really like this situation, he's probably given other more subtle indications that he's uncomfortable before this but they aren't being picked up. If you prevent him from giving these signs that he is uncomfortable then what's his alternative - to bite? Be his protector, when he growls let him know you'll take care of the situation, no need for him to manage it, and lead him away.

The issue with your husband being away - is that the only time it occurred? He could be going through his adolescent fear period, where things that seemed okay a week before is suddenly scary. Sorry, I don't have time to do a search for you, but I know there was a thread recently where the fear period was discussed, have a look in the behaviour section.

Nipping could be herding behaviour - just keep him on lead when the kids are running around if you don't want him to nip. As for people saying he was an awful dog - blow them. You are his protector, ignore what the nasty people say. He's still a young dog, going through adolescence, it's a tough time. He's also a herding breed and by nature they stand back and take things in, get the lay of the land and a view of the situation, not jump straight in like a Labrador. Plus people tend to crowd in and hassle a young dog, wanting to pat him and focus on him - they should just leave him be.

When your family comes to visit make sure he has a space where he can go when he needs to get away from the hustle and noise. Don't let them crowd him straight away, let him get used to them first.

Finally, don't give up. So very many dogs are dumped at this age because people just don't understand how difficult adolescence is for a dog. His brain is growing and changing, he's trying to understand his place in the world, it can be a trying time - just like it can for humans. But remember, like humans they grow out of it, and fortunately much quicker than a human. In the meantime just be understanding. And have a look through the behaviour forum - you'll notice how many threads there are by people with similar age dogs who are going through a range of adolescent angst issues - you are not alone.
Caro, I completely 100% agree with you. I couldn't have said this better myself. Very good insight!
 
"nipping at their heals"
It is absolutely a natural behavior for this breed.
And a behavior that you need to work on - you will definitely good help from others my English is unfortunately much too lumpy

"Does using the spray water bottle make him more fearful?"

Sorry, but in my eyes it is nearly a crime to use such methods, especially on this sensitive race.

Until someone comes and helps you with your question, you get a link to good article
- I read it actually still sometimes. http://sheltieforums.com/threads/are-shelties-for-everyone.22964/
I loved the link you shred. He is my 8th sheltie but the first one I have had without having kids and other shelties in the house. It is just me and my hubby now. Loved this quote in particular "
  • They will follow their person to the corner of the earth and ALWAYS into the bathroom.". So true!
 
I don't think the spray bottle is a good method, It isn't positive reinforcement which I try to communicate. I think sometimes in heavy crowd situations the herding instinct takes over and the nipping of the heels was possibly an attempt to get the group contained. Shelties must think of us or some as really funny looking bigger sheep. So they try to corral the group, because that is what they do. Try to view the incident from his perspective, and how overwhelming it can be for a dog to have so much commotion in their otherwise docile existence. New situations can and will bring out the not so great responses. I deal with that a lot with my fur brat, Savannah. When she gets wound up and to displaying monster behavior, it BUGS me. When I calm down and analyze it. Most times I realize she is trying to contain, or accommodate the new stuff in wrong ways. Savannah is chatty, she wants to meet everyone. If she can't meet & greet she goes into bark mode-whole different voice. So I tried something with visitors yesterday. I picked her up and let her meet people more face to face. (She is small, so people tower over her) I realized, she might fear people not seeing her being smaller and she announces her presence-loudly. Once she got to greet everyone, she was so happy and calmed down immediately. Savannah calms down when I hold her. I usually talk softly in her ear.
Maybe Zorro can't process groups just yet, or needs a different way of coping. Or doesn't know the expectation when presented with that scenario. Holidays breed a stress or energy that sheltie's pick up on. Did he have a special place to retreat to? Can he be put on a lead to curb the herding? I think there is a fine line between a socialized dog and exposure to overwhelming situations. I don't like crowds much, and probably misbehave in such environments, ha. So I try not to put my girls in situations that it is impossible for them to cope rationally. Good luck on finding the right solution for Zorro.
Thank you. I had him tied to my chair and held him a lot. I just have some relatives who hate dogs and arent very understanding. He probably picked up on my mood too. I will just keep making it my job to protect him. He did great at the lake this weekend with just me, my hubby and my folks. No barking or herding just lots of zoomies( running in joyous big circles).
 
I don't think the spray bottle is a good method, It isn't positive reinforcement which I try to communicate. I think sometimes in heavy crowd situations the herding instinct takes over and the nipping of the heels was possibly an attempt to get the group contained. Shelties must think of us or some as really funny looking bigger sheep. So they try to corral the group, because that is what they do. Try to view the incident from his perspective, and how overwhelming it can be for a dog to have so much commotion in their otherwise docile existence. New situations can and will bring out the not so great responses. I deal with that a lot with my fur brat, Savannah. When she gets wound up and to displaying monster behavior, it BUGS me. When I calm down and analyze it. Most times I realize she is trying to contain, or accommodate the new stuff in wrong ways. Savannah is chatty, she wants to meet everyone. If she can't meet & greet she goes into bark mode-whole different voice. So I tried something with visitors yesterday. I picked her up and let her meet people more face to face. (She is small, so people tower over her) I realized, she might fear people not seeing her being smaller and she announces her presence-loudly. Once she got to greet everyone, she was so happy and calmed down immediately. Savannah calms down when I hold her. I usually talk softly in her ear.
Maybe Zorro can't process groups just yet, or needs a different way of coping. Or doesn't know the expectation when presented with that scenario. Holidays breed a stress or energy that sheltie's pick up on. Did he have a special place to retreat to? Can he be put on a lead to curb the herding? I think there is a fine line between a socialized dog and exposure to overwhelming situations. I don't like crowds much, and probably misbehave in such environments, ha. So I try not to put my girls in situations that it is impossible for them to cope rationally. Good luck on finding the right solution for Zorro.
Thank you. I had him tied to my chair and held him a lot. I just have some realities who hate dogs no tent very understanding. He probably picked up on my mood too. I will just keep making it my job to protect him. He did great t the lake this weekend with just me and my folks. No baking or herding just lots of ok is ( running in joyous big circles
Few quick things. Don't use a spray bottle as punishment - you'll want to use a spray bottle for grooming as he gets his full coat and the last thing you want is him to be fearful of grooming. Also, his growling is not a bad thing. It's his way of saying I don't really like this situation, he's probably given other more subtle indications that he's uncomfortable before this but they aren't being picked up. If you prevent him from giving these signs that he is uncomfortable then what's his alternative - to bite? Be his protector, when he growls let him know you'll take care of the situation, no need for him to manage it, and lead him away.

The issue with your husband being away - is that the only time it occurred? He could be going through his adolescent fear period, where things that seemed okay a week before is suddenly scary. Sorry, I don't have time to do a search for you, but I know there was a thread recently where the fear period was discussed, have a look in the behaviour section.

Nipping could be herding behaviour - just keep him on lead when the kids are running around if you don't want him to nip. As for people saying he was an awful dog - blow them. You are his protector, ignore what the nasty people say. He's still a young dog, going through adolescence, it's a tough time. He's also a herding breed and by nature they stand back and take things in, get the lay of the land and a view of the situation, not jump straight in like a Labrador. Plus people tend to crowd in and hassle a young dog, wanting to pat him and focus on him - they should just leave him be.

When your family comes to visit make sure he has a space where he can go when he needs to get away from the hustle and noise. Don't let them crowd him straight away, let him get used to them first.

Finally, don't give up. So very many dogs are dumped at this age because people just don't understand how difficult adolescence is for a dog. His brain is growing and changing, he's trying to understand his place in the world, it can be a trying time - just like it can for humans. But remember, like humans they grow out of it, and fortunately much quicker than a human. In the meantime just be understanding. And have a look through the behaviour forum - you'll notice how many threads there are by people with similar age dogs who are going through a range of adolescent angst issues - you are not alone.[/QUOTE
Thank you. I should know better than to go against what I already know about this breed. I just don't remember any of my other ones doing this. Course they weren't only dogs. I always had multiple shelties...
 
People will always have opinions, ha. I have battled rotten opinions all my life, nothing changes those that are mean and rotten, they just spew negativity. I think every family has some unfortunately. I think protecting your fur baby and giving him good experiences and good reinforcement will win out. Zoomies are an expression of inner merriment in my opinion. Fur babies aren't perfect, but shelties are the best, they enhance our lives. I think they teach us way more than we teach them. Kaleigh & Savannah are my first two w/o family and it has been an education for me so I get where you are walking.
 
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