Sorry about the misunderstanding.She still reminds me of Buffy, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZzkHU4H9Jc
Good luck. I think the Off switch comes highly recommended.
Good luck. I think the Off switch comes highly recommended.
Juliet perpetually jittery as if she drank 4 espresso shots
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corbinam
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I just had to say that I love her cute little frustrated grumble! I've never heard a sheltie do that before!
Aha, I just put the volume on. That growly bark is adorable! Buffy does the little yippy growl/bark if she thinks she deserves more treats too. 
My favorite is when she does it for Sit/Stay. She thinks Stay deserves lots and lots of treats. If she's not getting them she does Down to see if that's what I wanted.
My favorite is when she does it for Sit/Stay. She thinks Stay deserves lots and lots of treats. If she's not getting them she does Down to see if that's what I wanted.
Justicemom
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I could be wrong but I think your problem is Juliet is working on a fixed reward ratio. 1 behavior 1 reward. When dogs expect that they give up quickly and get frustrated when they don't get the reward. Think vending machine. you put your money in ,you expect something back. If you don't get it you wanted to beat the machine.
You need to teach her that you a a slot machine. That sometimes she will get a reward for 1 behavior something after 3 then 2 then 5. She will keep trying and never know what will get the response. To start this, start being selective over the quality of the behavior. For example, you want a sit , click or reward the fastest or straightest one not just a sit. Once the behavior are learned in the earliest form you need to start asking for more.
Also don't let her give up. Wait her out,if she tries to leave put a lead on her and just stand there until she does something you can reward. She needs to learn that she just can't pick up her blocks and go home but she needs to work. I have waited on Diva for over 30 minutes to get a certain behavior and Ember over 45 mins(not kidding-it was teach her to take the dumbbell). Once they learn you won't let them quit they figure out another solution. I just happen to be more stubborn then a female sheltie which is just slightly less stubborn than a mule.
You need to teach her that you a a slot machine. That sometimes she will get a reward for 1 behavior something after 3 then 2 then 5. She will keep trying and never know what will get the response. To start this, start being selective over the quality of the behavior. For example, you want a sit , click or reward the fastest or straightest one not just a sit. Once the behavior are learned in the earliest form you need to start asking for more.
Also don't let her give up. Wait her out,if she tries to leave put a lead on her and just stand there until she does something you can reward. She needs to learn that she just can't pick up her blocks and go home but she needs to work. I have waited on Diva for over 30 minutes to get a certain behavior and Ember over 45 mins(not kidding-it was teach her to take the dumbbell). Once they learn you won't let them quit they figure out another solution. I just happen to be more stubborn then a female sheltie which is just slightly less stubborn than a mule.
SheltieChe
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I could be wrong but I think your problem is Juliet is working on a fixed reward ratio. 1 behavior 1 reward. When dogs expect that they give up quickly and get frustrated when they don't get the reward. Think vending machine. you put your money in ,you expect something back. If you don't get it you wanted to beat the machine.
You need to teach her that you a a slot machine. That sometimes she will get a reward for 1 behavior something after 3 then 2 then 5. She will keep trying and never know what will get the response. To start this, start being selective over the quality of the behavior. For example, you want a sit , click or reward the fastest or straightest one not just a sit. Once the behavior are learned in the earliest form you need to start asking for more.
Also don't let her give up. Wait her out,if she tries to leave put a lead on her and just stand there until she does something you can reward. She needs to learn that she just can't pick up her blocks and go home but she needs to work. I have waited on Diva for over 30 minutes to get a certain behavior and Ember over 45 mins(not kidding-it was teach her to take the dumbbell). Once they learn you won't let them quit they figure out another solution. I just happen to be more stubborn then a female sheltie which is just slightly less stubborn than a mule.
were you writing speeches for SG? I remember some seminars from my recallers class with exactly same examples about vending and slot machine being offered as well as paying only for best behavior
Caro
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Hmm, short attention span, grumbles when you ask her to do things, expects to get something for nothing, over the top emotions. OMG - she's a teenager!! Seriously though both mine grew out of the grumbling and the muttering (well mostly) as they got older and Tully is much better at containing her energy when training.
Seriously though both mine grew out of the grumbling and the muttering (well mostly) as they got older and Tully is much better at containing her energy when training.Toffee's Mom
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I could be wrong but I think your problem is Juliet is working on a fixed reward ratio. 1 behavior 1 reward. When dogs expect that they give up quickly and get frustrated when they don't get the reward. Think vending machine. you put your money in ,you expect something back. If you don't get it you wanted to beat the machine.
You need to teach her that you a a slot machine. That sometimes she will get a reward for 1 behavior something after 3 then 2 then 5. She will keep trying and never know what will get the response. To start this, start being selective over the quality of the behavior. For example, you want a sit , click or reward the fastest or straightest one not just a sit. Once the behavior are learned in the earliest form you need to start asking for more.
Also don't let her give up. Wait her out,if she tries to leave put a lead on her and just stand there until she does something you can reward. She needs to learn that she just can't pick up her blocks and go home but she needs to work. I have waited on Diva for over 30 minutes to get a certain behavior and Ember over 45 mins(not kidding-it was teach her to take the dumbbell). Once they learn you won't let them quit they figure out another solution. I just happen to be more stubborn then a female sheltie which is just slightly less stubborn than a mule.
uhoh
I think I just found my problem...
Thanks, this makes complete sense to me now, thanks!
I have done exactly that, no wonder he gets frustrated after three seconds!!!!!
danisgoat
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Great analogy, Dr. Shelli.
romeosangiovese
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Ooohhh... *lightbulb moment* That's a good point. I have been mostly going on a fixed reward ratio. Sometimes I will withhold rewarding but that's when I'm shaping and waiting for another behaviour. I'll try to reward on a variable ratio more!
Caro, they actually grew out of the grumbling? I always laugh when Juliet does it. It's hilarious. But I do hope she learns better self control as she matures! I never thought that this was her going through her teenage phase coz she'd been like this since she was a puppy! Oh dear, I hope it's not yet another prolonged adolescence!! 
Caro, they actually grew out of the grumbling? I always laugh when Juliet does it. It's hilarious. But I do hope she learns better self control as she matures! I never thought that this was her going through her teenage phase coz she'd been like this since she was a puppy!
Oh dear, I hope it's not yet another prolonged adolescence!! romeosangiovese
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Aha, I just put the volume on. That growly bark is adorable! Buffy does the little yippy growl/bark if she thinks she deserves more treats too.
I watched your video of Buffy! She's adorable!! And yes, just like Juliet just that Buffy sounds like a girl and Juliet sounds more like a pirate!