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JLSOhio51 said:
Thank you for that information. UKC does seem like a viable option to consider moving forward.
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Just a technical point, if the litter is not UKC registered (meaning you are doing an individual dog registration) UKC will not give full registration based on AKC limited registration. They keep the same restrictions.
 
JLSOhio51 said:
Just as an aside, I have noticed an interesting quirk that occurs here just as it does on many other forums. A poster will pose a query and inevitably, some (or even several) posters will extend their answers to say: "you shouldn't", or "why would you", or the dreaded "no responsible owner/breeder/whatever". None of that inspires those seeking knowledge to continue to ask questions. And (for me) it becomes particularly problematic when I have said several times, "I get it, this is the outlet I'm looking for". If that outlet doesn't exist, so be it, but that doesn't change my wants OR make them invalid because I want that.
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Of course your going to get the answer of no responsible breeder etc..heres why in shelties.

Since they do no breed true as stated before a quality breeder is not going to hand an outstanding show prospect to a "newbie" knowing nothing in the breed and how showing works and say here ya go. Not ever going to happen. Since like stated before you can breed a whole litter of shelties and have 4 in the litter, out of those 4 one maybe show quality, maybe...

If you want to learn the conformation portion of shelties by all means find a mentor in your area. Tag along to shows with them, ask questions..maybe after 5 shows you'll think hmmm this really isnt for me, or maybe you'll think ohhh I LOVE this! Lets continue on..through this mentor they will open doors for you that you by yourself are unable to. Having your face seen at the shows you start to become someone who is serious about acquiring a show prospect..

Statistics stick with breeders, normally most people only stick with it for under 5 years..they are not going to part with their best dog for a good chance that it will go to waste..breeding and showing is about carrying on and improving our breed. Showing is by no means a cheap hobby..finishing a sheltie for someone new means they have to hire a handler to get it done, again not cheap. Finishing them to their CH is usually upward of $3000.

Furthermore no serious quality breeder is not going to have a dog shown in the ring by someone who is not taking it seriously. Conformation is not a portion of the dog world that you can causally dabble in. There are too many factors to showing to causally pick up and say ohh i'll maybe show this day etc...you have to have the dog looking their absolutely best, so coat blow, coat condition etc all play into when to show.

Just how it is in the world of dogs so perhaps that is why you are receiving/seeing the same response over and over..
 
In Canada the CKC non breeding contract only limits registration of puppies to the dog in question. It doesn't stop you from entering any CKC sanctioned event. I think, unless it has changed, that you cannot show AKC with a Canadian dog on a NB contract.
Registering the dog with the breeder's kennel name is a formality that allows bloodlines to be traced. In Canada we have to permanently identify each puppy before it leaves our kennel with either microchip or tattoo, both of which are registered with the club under our kennel name. We are not allowed to sell a puppy without papers.
Having the name of the kennel attached to the breeder can work for or against said breeder. If the dog's quality is not that great or it doesn't perform well, the dog public will see that as well as the ones that did do well.
We also have "Altered" classes offered at specialty shows.
Many of the puppies sold into companion homes may be deemed worthy of a championship. That doesn't mean that the puppy has the qualities that the breeder was hoping to introduce into their line so they allowed them to go to pet homes. For example, I might have bred to stud A in hopes of getting a better front assembly, but the pups were not showing the assembly I was looking for. They might be as good as their dam but I was hoping for better. Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of us that would prefer to send our babies to pet homes as opposed to show homes even though there is bigger money to be had from the latter. The criteria for pet homes should be high, breeding and show homes should be higher since the dog will be reproducing. I would never consider someone I didn't know really well to get a show/breeding prospect from me. I waited 3 years to get my foundation bitch from the woman who would become a great friend and mentor. She wanted to make sure that her line would be protected and her dog wouldn't end up in a handler's crate 100 days a year or living it's life out in a kennel when something newer and better came along. I greatly respected that and so it became my mode as well.
I know it seems we are a bit paranoid but the longer you are in dogs, the more likely you are to hear and see things that make you really careful.
 
JLSOhio51 said:
SheltieLuver

With all due respect, if you read my posts, I have referenced the answer to your question more than once. If it turns out that what I want is not possible, that will not be the end of my world. However, each of us has the right to want whatever we want just as governing bodies have the right set their rules in the manner that the body sees fit.

Just as an aside, I have noticed an interesting quirk that occurs here just as it does on many other forums. A poster will pose a query and inevitably, some (or even several) posters will extend their answers to say: "you shouldn't", or "why would you", or the dreaded "no responsible owner/breeder/whatever". None of that inspires those seeking knowledge to continue to ask questions. And (for me) it becomes particularly problematic when I have said several times, "I get it, this is the outlet I'm looking for". If that outlet doesn't exist, so be it, but that doesn't change my wants OR make them invalid because I want that.
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This is the EXACT reason I decided not to get a sheltie, people on here are absolutely rude. Not everybody feels the same way about stuff. If you want your ivory towers and your golden laid trophies go for it but some of us want to be able to do with our dogs what we want for the love of the breed.
 
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cthulhucometh said:
This is the EXACT reason I decided not to get a sheltie, people on here are absolutely rude. Not everybody feels the same way about stuff. If you want your ivory towers and your golden laid trophies go for it but some of us want to be able to do with our dogs what we want for the love of the breed.
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http://www.sheltieforums.com/showpost.php?p=232536&postcount=8

I have seen on some breeders websites where they want you to sign a agreement that if you buy it for a companion dog that you aren't supposed to breed your dog, is this a common practice?
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Funny, you proposed the same question a year ago. What exactly were you hoping to get out of this discussion? Oh wait, you're not coming back to read this, even though you edited out that part already :lol:
 
Oh not to mention the part of the post about your Border Collies being so much smarter than our Shelties. Sensitive much?
 
ortegah said:
Oh not to mention the part of the post about your Border Collies being so much smarter than our Shelties. Sensitive
Look on ANY smart dog list and it will show border collies #1 and Shelties #6. And I was just thinking about getting one, a lot has happened in a year. You are just making my point about rudeness true.
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